On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:24:02PM -0500, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > I am replying to two emails here. I am replying to one (yours) covering both parts. > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jared D. McNeill wrote: > > > > What is confusing to me is that some use outputs.lineout.eapd=on with > > > outputs.lineout, others use inputs.dac10, and I use > > > outputs.black15.eapd=on with inputs.dac02. > > > > There are two issues. > > > > First is that the azalia driver compromises, and operates in "best > > effort" mode when a codec isn't explicitly supported. That's what you're > > seeing with the <color><nid> style controls. > > Is this something that can be explained in a manual page? (Or is it > already there?) We have a big mess of *ctl methods and tools and mechanisms. This seems to be yet another case where there differences between them are highlighted - for sysctl's, we can load a text description that would fit the bill nicely here - except mixerctl and audioctl can't take these. So, as an aside, it would be great if someone[TM] felt like rototilling and unifying these multiple interfaces to a common infrastructure and structure, presumably basedon proplib. > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > > > In my case I had to search the web and try and fail before I found out > > what worked for me. Most people would give up long before (I know most > > people don't run NetBSD either). > > That was my case. But searching led nowhere. Some other NetBSD users gave > me various things to try. Mine too - but nothing I've ever tried has resulted in audible output. > If it can't be made easy, then we could at least have the azalia and/or > other appropriate man pages clearly document what works for certain > hardware (and what doesn't work). On that note, if the hardware can detect > what hardware and we can document what works to turn on speaker and > control volume, then it seems like the software could handle that too with > a consistent name. > > (Probably obvious: I don't know anything about the HDA code or > specifications. I am just a user in this case and I want it to be easy for > others.) Yeah, me too - with one additional point. I don't necessarily expect that things will Just Work automagically - though of course it would sure be nice. I'm prepared to do some experimentation and analysis and fiddling if necessary to discover whatever bizarre permutation of hardware a particular laptop (eg, mine) uses, and the corresponding settings that make it work. I assume most of us are. The crucial issue here is that there really isn't a place to start entering this maze. -- Dan.
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