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Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

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On Nov 28, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

On 2010-11-28 02:29, Michael wrote:
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On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

On 2010-11-27 15:29, Frank Wille wrote:
Michael wrote:

To recap, my opinion is this:
- - keys should do what the label says, no shifting things around to
match PC layouts


- - we need AltGr, most people will expect it to be the right Alt key,
so that should be the (hopefully only ) exception

Already works that way, because the right Alt key has the same
keycode as
AltGr on USB keyboards.

- - left/right Command key should become left/right Meta

Already works that way, because the USB keycodes match.

Still we have no AltGr on Apple notebooks with just a left Alt.
Should ukbd.c, or even wskbd.c be hacked to treat Ctrl-Alt as AltGr? Although I wouldn't like it to press three keys at once, just for a \
or [.

I don't get this whole argument. If someone feels the need to have
AltGr mapped to (for instance) the CMD key on a Apple notebook, he can just change it that way with xmodmap anyway. Why do we need to try to
fiddle around with the base system itself to try and accomodate all
kind of wishes?

Trivial wishes like being able to type an @ on a german keyboard without
having to start X and mucking with xmodmap.

have fun

Good point. wsconsctl will do the same without having to start X though.

You'll always run into problems when you have keyboards with too few keys though.

Yes, and we should have a halfway consistent and MI workaround for those, which is pretty much the reason this thread exists.

Do you think we can come up with a solution (mapping) that everyone will agree with?

I hope we can come up with something that at least works for everyone.

Maybe some good documentation on how to change and muck about with the mappings would be better?

I think we should have something that works for more or less everyone out of the box.

have fun

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