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Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

Well, my problems are not with X but with in-kernel nouveau driver.  I
have noted my issues several times in the past:

  * GTX 1050-Ti not supported, so I have to use vga kernel driver.
  * Shutting down xdm(8) normally results in a totally black screen
    with no control, and no ability even for blind typing.
  * Therefore, a system shutdown or reboot requires manually using
    ``kill -9'' on xdm (from the console), followed by shutdown(9).
  * Once I've killed xdm, I cannot restart it - I _must_ reboot!
  * Attempts to use the vesa driver (rather than vga) have been

I have a (rather "sub-optimal") workaround for my situation, so it's not
critical, and I would not use my issues as a reason for delaying the
up-coming branch of NetBSD-9.

I am curious why we need to apparently build all of the LLVM stuff for a
release?  If LLVM is needed as part of the build, it should be built as
host tools;  I don't understand why we _also_ need to build LLVM for the
target machine.  (And, if the answer to this is YES, we should probably
find a way to build-and-install a minimal subset, not the whole thing!)

On Wed, 29 May 2019, Martin Husemann wrote:

Hey folks,

I would like to get your feedback about the current state of the base X11,
as there have been lots of threads about various issues and I have lost
the overview of what works in -current and what does not.

We *really* need to branch netbsd-9 very soon now, and it is unclear (at
least to me) what should happen to the in-tree X11 version.

- we have very obvious display bugs at first sight in xdm
- self hosting builds on 4 GB amd64 machines are not really possible
  any more (due to LLVM runtime dependencies, which can not even be
  disabled at build time right now)
- reports here (and on other lists) about display problems and success
  stories have no clear winner (but probably due to me losing track)

So what is you story/opinion: is base X11 usable in -current? If not,
what needs to be done or what hardware needs fixes?



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