Re: *PLEASE READ* Re: Two NetBSDs: from Desktop NetBSD needs your help

["Nino on NetBSD 4.0" <nbsdold%gmx.net@localhost>]

This is a fascinating topic - please consider, however,
that those who need a desktop package *ARE* most likely
using an x86 machine. What really bothered me in the
beginning was the black screen with a few letters and
"help" not working - I came fresh from Windows into
FreeBSD... The possibility of a desktop package would be
nice. Just... please do not forget, you need all the
other things configured, too. Like, printer, wireless
card etc. NetBSD does not HAVE TO install a desktop, but
having it as an option may be nice.

Just my 2 cents.

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:43:40 +0000 (GMT)
> Von: David Brownlee <abs%NetBSD.org@localhost>
> An: markucz%gmail.com@localhost
> CC: netbsd-users%NetBSD.org@localhost
> Betreff: Re: *PLEASE READ* Re: Two NetBSDs: from Desktop NetBSD needs your 
> help

> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, markucz%gmail.com@localhost wrote:
> 
> > I guess if those people are technically literate they could just as well
> > install the gnome metapackage from pkgsrc, right? AFAIK it installs
> > everything it needs to run, X11 included. They don't even have to
> compile it,
> > since there are binary packages (never tried them myself, though, so I'd
> > appreciate if someone would share his experience with that) and I
> suppose
> > desktop.tgz just will contain some mix of those.
> 
>       I suspect it will install the meta-pkgs/netbsd-desktop package
>       which will include gnome and various other packages, but it
>       will also configure the X server so it works correctly and
>       starts automatically, basically all the manual steps.
>       http://wiki.netbsd.se/Desktop_Phase_1#System_installation
> 
> >>    By the way, thank you for articulating your main concern -
> >>    integrating desktop configuration could impair the base
> >>    system, rather than just waving your hands and saying "Bad,
> >>    Baaaad!"
> >
> > It's this part which scares me most - there're horrible examples how
> flashy
> > GUI config tools can screw an otherwise decent OS. The first which comes
> to
> > mind is SuSE's yast.
> 
>       Its also the area that concerns me. I assume you'll be watching
>       Phase 2 with interest to ensure your concerns are met?
> 
> > There's another thing, too. I don't quite like the phrase "Given a
> NetBSD CD
> > and a reasonably modern x86 computer...". What about those who use
> something
> > different than x86?
> 
>       Then you will only benefit from some of the changes. If
>       you are using a machine which not powerful enough to handle
>       the gnome desktop (even a low end x86), then you would need
>       to select a different desktop environment. Its quite likely
>       the netbsd-desktop install option will only be available
>       on i386 and amd64 initially, but quite a lot of the
>       infrastructure changes will benefit anyone who chooses to
>       install the relevant packages, no matter what arch.
> 
> -- 
>               David/absolute       -- www.NetBSD.org: No hype required --

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