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Re: *PLEASE READ* Re: Two NetBSDs: from Desktop NetBSD needs your help
On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:40 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
David Brownlee wrote:
I never seem to "waste" much time on this. Getting the base system
up, and X runnig usually goes rather fast. (But I'm also one of
those guys who still use ctwm).
What usually takes time is getting all the packages installed. But I
guess I only have myself to blame for that, since I prefer to build
form source, and that just means it takes time. I'll do that in one
window, or on one screen when I don't even have X up, while I play
around with something else in another.
Random question for the day:
How much time has been wasted (duplicated time and time
again) by technically literate people who just wanted
a basic desktop system setup so they could work on
something that actually interested them, like adding
new pkgsrc packages or drivers for some item of USB
hardware?, or who just wanted to run the same OS for
development on their laptop as they were running on
Heck, I don't even need X up before I start working on something.
Why is this fanatical focus on having a graphic environment? There
are a lot of things I can do without even having ggraphics.
Given a choice, my main desktop is OSX... At work; I have no choice.
A NetBSD desktop is required... I also still use ctwm.. I spent days
trying to get NetBSD to run dual headed on a Matrox G-650. I finally
brought a G-550 from home and it just worked. Then I fought with
Firefox... I still fight with firefox.. It crashes on me about 5 or 6
times a day... Some sort of xorg "BadAlloc" resource starvation
thing... I don't have a flash plugin and I've tried with noscript; it
still crashes... I have another NetBSD desktop that I use for one
thing and one thing only; that is to run Wireshark to watch the
packets coming out of my embedded NetBSD target... If my target starts
spooging packets at the fantastic rate of 24,000pps (yawn), then
occasionally something in the wm0 driver causes a lockup and I have to
reboot my wireshark box... Sure, I could waste a bunch of time
debugging this stuff; but I have real work to do when I'm there... I'm
So on my desk, I have 4 monitors and 1 keyboard/mouse... 3 for NetBSD,
1 for corporate windows/outlook... My NetBSD machines run xterm,
ctwm, firefox, wireshark, and xmms... Not a very taxing desktop; and
still NetBSD does it poorly...
I even offered to buy my own Macbook and bring it in as my desktop but
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