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Re: Sysinst default root login shell

On 2012-04-12 22.08, Matthew Mondor wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:19:33 +0200
Johnny Billquist<>  wrote:

Like I said, I guess I can't be bothered. I've given up. This ain't BSD
anymore, except for the deceptive name. And I've run out of energy
trying to improve the world. I'll just recommend anyone who ask me to
just go and install Linux instead, since it's at least coherent in its


Was the "proper" BSD: 4.4BSD, 386BSD, NetBSD 1.4T, NetBSD 4? It probably
depends on the context and hardware, I can appreciate old hardware and
emulators and archives of old operating systems myself.

If NetBSD had not moved with the times, it'd also be using aout, would
have bad performance compared to other operating systems, would have no
synchronous multi-processor support, no POSIX threads and interfaces
support, no way to allow to load non-BSD-licensed code (i.e. an
eventual ZFS module), no power management, no support for large disks,
unbareably long fsck times, no 64-bit or amd64 support, no DRI, no
kauth, no PUFFS, no pkgsrc, no modern testing support, no sysinst, no
Xen, a clear-text password database, services all running as root, no
SSH, IPv6, LDAP, etc... And it'd also unfortunately be dead by now,
require old compilers to build, old hardware to run and old protocols
to use...

But I now run it on firewalls, servers and "desktop" workstations on
i686 and amd64, and am thankful to those who made this constant
progress possible.


Funny you should say that, while a CVS checkout of all of the NetBSD source tree have grown in time from about 20 minutes to about 5 hours on a VAX-8650 as we move from NetBSD 2 to NetBSD 5. Did we really improve performance, or did we only just get faster computers, while the code itself got slower? Because I doubt you can claim a 10 time size increase of the source code tree...


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