Re: Internet services and US vs EU jurisdiction

[gary%duzan.org@localhost]

> Hi Enrico,
>
> Could political discussions be moved to relevant mailing lists, please.
>
> This discussion might be off-topic for netbsd-users
>
> Thanks
>
> Carsten

   I agree, but it had already gotten political before Enrico's replies,
and I appreciate those providing some balance before resolving the
thread.

                              Gary Duzan


>> On 17. Feb 2026, at 14:10, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
>> <info%metux.net@localhost> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/20/26 20:35, Sad Clouds wrote:
>>
>>> There are laws that deal with this and it may be illegal to spread:
>>> - Incitement
>>> - Hate speech
>>> - Foreign influence operations
>>> - Deliberate disinformation
>>
>> And who decides what falls into such category ?
>> The Politbüro, of course.
>>
>>> For example, in August 2024 a number of people in the UK were jailed
>>> for inciting violence on social media during the riots against asylum
>>> seekers.
>>
>> If one's actually inciting violence against people, eg. openly calling
>> for murder - that's not free speech anymore. Sure.
>>
>> But what about all the left extremists directly calling for violence
>> and not being prosecuted ?
>>
>> I've got some personal experience with that (on the victim side).
>>
>> For example, since I've forked Xorg, I've frequently been personally
>> attacked by certain groups (mostly from the Redhat/f.d.o ecosphere).
>> Not long ago, some Debian maintainers openly accused *me* of planning
>> to build "concentration camps" and put them into there. Not joking.
>>
>> And that's not actually new to me, eg. back in the "corona years",
>> I belonged to that large group of people that many public figures
>> openly demanded to be put into "camps" and forcefully jabbed for not
>> playing along with the regime's (illegal) demands.
>>
>> My hometown's deputy major public demanded I (and my family) shall be
>> arrested, just for publicly speaking out against the whole lockdown
>> stuff. (and our local Antifa even wished to see us dead).
>>
>> And I also had been threatened to be gunned down by cops for nothing
>> but having a walk on fresh air with my family.
>>
>>> There is a difference between critisising someone and inciting
>>> violence against them.
>>
>> Sure. And such things need to be prosecuted consequently - no matter
>> what political camp one's coming from.
>>
>> But only if there actually was a real crime - speaking out against the
>> government or corporate media is not a crime.
>>
>>> If you believe the war in Ukraine is a myth, then you are more than
>>> welcome to visit Ukraine and observe for yourself the war crimes that
>>> Russia is committing there on daily basis.
>>
>> War is always a bad thing, and we should do anything we can do to stop
>> them - instead of prolonging them. And we should prosecute all the
>> people responsible for the war breaking out in the first place - on
>> both sides of the iron curtain.
>>
>>
>> --mtx
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
>> Free software and Linux embedded engineering
>> info%metux.net@localhost -- +49-151-27565287
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