Re: Internet services and US vs EU jurisdiction

[Carsten Strotmann <bsd%dnsworkshop.ch@localhost>]

Hi Enrico,

Could political discussions be moved to relevant mailing lists, please.

This discussion might be off-topic for netbsd-users

Thanks

Carsten

> On 17. Feb 2026, at 14:10, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult <info%metux.net@localhost> wrote:
> 
> On 1/20/26 20:35, Sad Clouds wrote:
> 
>> There are laws that deal with this and it may be illegal to spread:
>> - Incitement
>> - Hate speech
>> - Foreign influence operations
>> - Deliberate disinformation
> 
> And who decides what falls into such category ?
> The Politbüro, of course.
> 
>> For example, in August 2024 a number of people in the UK were jailed
>> for inciting violence on social media during the riots against asylum
>> seekers.
> 
> If one's actually inciting violence against people, eg. openly calling
> for murder - that's not free speech anymore. Sure.
> 
> But what about all the left extremists directly calling for violence
> and not being prosecuted ?
> 
> I've got some personal experience with that (on the victim side).
> 
> For example, since I've forked Xorg, I've frequently been personally
> attacked by certain groups (mostly from the Redhat/f.d.o ecosphere).
> Not long ago, some Debian maintainers openly accused *me* of planning
> to build "concentration camps" and put them into there. Not joking.
> 
> And that's not actually new to me, eg. back in the "corona years",
> I belonged to that large group of people that many public figures
> openly demanded to be put into "camps" and forcefully jabbed for not
> playing along with the regime's (illegal) demands.
> 
> My hometown's deputy major public demanded I (and my family) shall be
> arrested, just for publicly speaking out against the whole lockdown
> stuff. (and our local Antifa even wished to see us dead).
> 
> And I also had been threatened to be gunned down by cops for nothing
> but having a walk on fresh air with my family.
> 
>> There is a difference between critisising someone and inciting
>> violence against them.
> 
> Sure. And such things need to be prosecuted consequently - no matter
> what political camp one's coming from.
> 
> But only if there actually was a real crime - speaking out against the
> government or corporate media is not a crime.
> 
>> If you believe the war in Ukraine is a myth, then you are more than
>> welcome to visit Ukraine and observe for yourself the war crimes that
>> Russia is committing there on daily basis.
> 
> War is always a bad thing, and we should do anything we can do to stop
> them - instead of prolonging them. And we should prosecute all the
> people responsible for the war breaking out in the first place - on
> both sides of the iron curtain.
> 
> 
> --mtx
> 
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> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
> Free software and Linux embedded engineering
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