Re: About wiki.netbsd.org

[matthew sporleder <msporleder%gmail.com@localhost>]

It's somewhat misleading to call something a 'wiki' if it's not
user/community-editable.

You may as well just rename it to "newdocs" or something non-"wiki" if
it will be developer-only + send-pr.  Just because you're backing it
with software claiming to be a wiki is irrelevant because current
normal practice is to make a wiki editable in the sense that wikipedia
does so.  Doing anything different is just confusing.



On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Joel Carnat <joel%carnat.net@localhost> wrote:
> CVS has no public write access but changes can publically be asked via
> send-pr. Dealing with the Wiki the same way (for sanity purpose)
> doesn't look that strange..
>
> Quoting Wikipedia's definition of Wiki : A wiki (pronounced /
> CVS has no public write access but changes can publically be asked via
> send-pr. Dealing with the Wiki the same way (for sanity purpose) doesn't
> look that strange..
> Quoting Wikipedia's definition of Wiki : A wiki (pronounced /ÃËwÃÂki/ WIK-ee)
> is a website that allows the easy[1] creation and editing of any number
> of interlinked web pages via a web browserusing a simplified markup
> language or aWYSIWYG text editor.
> Nothing here claims it must be public and scrambled by everybody ;-)
> --Mail Different
> Le 17 dÃÂc. 2009 Ã Â12:12, "Adam Hoka" <adam.hoka%gmail.com@localhost> a 
> ÃÂcrit :
>
> ÂI think I'm going to hurt your feelings, so I want to say sorry
> Âbeforehand.
>
> ÂOn Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Amitai Schlair 
> <schmonz%schmonz.com@localhost>
> Âwrote:
>
> Â ÂOn Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Marc Balmer <marc%msys.ch@localhost>
> Â Âwrote:
>
> Â Â ÂLooks to me like someone just wanted to have this wiki,
> Â Â Âworking on an
>
> Â Â Âagenda, an ignoring what is already there.
>
> Â ÂMarc, I respect your need to hold an opinion and to express that
>
> Â Âopinion. It's obviously a very strong need in your case, since
> Â Âyou've
>
> Â Âmanaged to hold and express a variety of differing opinions on
> Â Âthis
>
> Â Âtopic alone. What you've said above isn't the most hurtful of
> Â Âthem
>
> Â Â(that one came by private mail some months ago), but it's
> Â Âcertainly a
>
> Â Âpolarity change from the last. More to the point, it's false, as
> Â Âyou
>
> Â Âwell know. If this criticism of yours were careful and true,
> Â Âthat'd
>
> Â Âfar outweigh any potential hurt feelings. But it isn't, so the
> Â Ânet
>
> Â Âeffect is that you seem like a jerk. I doubt that's how you mean
> Â Âto
>
> Â Âcome across. So I'd like to ask you -- speaking purely for
> Â Âmyself, a
>
> Â Âperson with some emotion invested in the wiki along with time and
>
> Â Âeffort -- to balance your need to be seen having an opinion with
> Â Âthe
>
> Â Âfacts of the wiki development process you've been privy to all
> Â Âalong
>
> Â Âand then, in turn, with the needs of the Project.
>
> ÂSorry, but he got a point, like it or not.
>
> Â ÂEveryone else: I'm happy there is interest in the state of
> Â ÂNetBSD's
>
> Â Âweb sites in general and wiki.netbsd.org in particular. The
> Â Âlatter,
>
> Â Âwhile not hidden from view, needs more work before it'll be ready
> Â Âfor
>
> Â Âpublic consumption. That's why we haven't made any sort of public
>
> Â Âannouncement: it's not ready yet. Providing an easy way for
>
> Â Ânon-developers to contribute to the wiki has become a high
> Â Âpriority.
>
> ÂI see only a few useful articles, most of them are todo lists.
> ÂI wanted to add stuff, but I gave up finding out how to create a new
> Âpage
> Âafter looking trough all of the chaotic options on the page and gave
> Âup.
> ÂHow do you expect us to add content this way?
> ÂThe page is totally unorganised (which should be the strength of a
> Âwiki),
> Âbut we can work on it I guess by constructing a proper start page
> Âwith
> Âlinks to major topics. Thats something I volunteer to help with.
>
> Â Âwiki.n.o was not originally intended to be a replacement for
>
> Â Âwiki.netbsd.se, but it's becoming clear that we can and should
> Â Âaim for
>
> Â Âthat target. Help, as always, is appreciated.
>
> ÂMaybe we could just start migrating The Guide to the wiki and use it
> Âas
> Âan easy to edit documentation source (something we currently lack and
> Âmake
> Âour docs lag behind reality) so none of your efforts are going to
> Âwaste?
>
> ÂAgain, sorry if i was operating in asshole mode.
>
> ÂCheers,
> ÂAdam
>