,--- You/Dima (Sun, 8 Feb 2009 07:41:11 +0300) ----*
| On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:57:13PM -0500, Alex Goncharov wrote:
| > | NetBSD is really designed for people, moved to NetBSD by their wise
| > | looking for really working things, proved for simplicity. If you
| > | can't understand some deeply technical things - don't even try and
| > | use FreeBSD or Linux.
| >
| > What are the most important advantages of NetBSD over FreeBSD?
|
| It is nice, but when your work is an administration of several
| server boxes via ssh - you are coming to hell with Free or Linux,
| you will blaim any developer included KDE instead of really simple
| and nice utilities. FreeBSD usually have them not in best state, and
| Linux usually don't have them at all.
Interesting...
| People looking for nice installer have questions how Gnome or KDE
| working on their platform, but I look for stable IPSEC package. You
| know - NetBSD have it and always in great working condition, but
| FreeBSD had problems choosing kame or racoon, making it slow. They
| rewrited ports architecture several times, their start-script system
| was awful and keeps to be ugly, their ata driver was rewritten 5
| times and is not a great thing today, their source-code tree is a
| mess. But they always had desktop system in default
| installation. Most people appreciate this, but in 90% of my server
| installations I never install or use X server. I am not against
| FreeBSD at all and used it as a desktop some period of time, it is
| just not for those, who use heavy trucks.
Interesting...
| Also, when you need something built from ports - you have to
| consider nobody keep thinking of ports lightening.
That seems to be true... Especially where X is concerned.
| Under user pressure and some developers work they have to hunt for
| more ports, instead of their quality. Try to compile some simple
| mixer application and get hundreds megabytes as a dependencies. This
| is really not a problem for desktop users.
Unfortunately it *is* a problem for desktop users.
Two weeks ago the "FreeBSD X people" put in the new X (xorg-server
plus libraries). Many (> 10) people's systems where totally
incapacitated as a result, without any rollback path. In the current
economic environment that's quite a troubling thing. The details can
be found in the freebsd-ports%freebsd.org@localhost archives, in the threads:
Xorg strange behavior
Xorg disaster
Xorg upgrade desaster
Unhappy Xorg upgrade
Troubling and costly -- I am now spending hours and hours working out
my personal strategy (build / rollback infrastructure) to protect me
from anything of this nature in the future. This is on top of almost
two days that I tried to make the new X work, only to roll back in
despair. Roll back painfully.
So, guys, listen to a beaten man's advice: don't you joke with X.
Don't let the cute Gnome in your house. And to hell with HAL. Or else
it's getting like Linux. (I am biased here.)