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Re: netbsd on vax 11/730; booting in sim

On Jan 9, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Jochen Kunz wrote:
Life is evolution, evolution is change. Live evolutes to higher and
higher stages of complexity. It is natural that complexity increases.
Live has evelved from primitive protozoon to mammals. If you stop this
process you will become a dinosaur... That is why NetBSD needs stuff
that "others have". If you stop importing new stuff NetBSD will get
useless in "the real world" within a few years, leading to a decline
and finaly extinction. NetBSD is not an endemic species on an isolated
iland. It interacts with all that other Unix species out there in the

So. If you want a lean and fast Unix on your VAXen, install a Unix that
was current when your hardware was current. I.e. somthing like
4.3BSD-Tahoe. I did this on my MicroVAX III. It is fun. But if you need
to interact with the rest of the world (ssh, nfs, IPv6, PGP,...) you
will have trouble as 4.3BSD is an endemic species on an isolated iland,
a living dinosaur.

As others mention, all of those "interacting with the rest of the world" things worked fine back when NetBSD was fast on VAXen.

Nobody wants it stop evolving and be be static. But perhaps some of the "more fattening" things could be made optional via kernel configuration options. NetBSD is more than just a PC operating system. It (in my opinion) needs to remain true to its history and to its mission. It should NOT try to be another Linux.

BTW: NetBSD still runs like a mad ape on not so ancient hardware like
early UltraSPARC machines because it is still much more efficient then
all the alternatives out there.

But think of how fast it'd be on that hardware if it weren't so bloated!


Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL

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