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Re: tar extract changed since netbsd-8? (extracting sets over running system)

On 13.11.2019 23:34, Christos Zoulas wrote:
> In article <>,
> Joerg Sonnenberger  <> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:24:21PM -0000, Christos Zoulas wrote:
>>> I don't want processes to die of fail to start because I am extracting
>>> a tar file and I happen to be overwriting libc. It just does not
>>> need to happen and it did not happen before.
>> This argument is plainly false. It was never safe to do, especially when
>> a library changes in incompatible ways. /bin/ls depending on a new
>> system call and the extract hasn't reached /lib/ yet? Boom.
> It is always safe to do when building from the same sources. It is
> also safe to do when using a new system call and using a new kernel
> (the new kernel has it, the new libc can immediately use it). I
> extract base.tgz all the time on live systems and never had any
> issues.
> The "incompatible ways" argument is not my point. The point is the
> lack of atomicity, which we had before and now we lost.  It is not
> safe anymore to extract libc on a running system because any new
> processes trying to start while libc is incomplete/missing will die.
> At least it does not kill the current process because it unlinks... :-)
> christos

I observed several times when inappropriate update of my killed
initd and bricked my system as it was no longer bootable..

If the new tar (bsdtar) does not properly overwrite files in /, it is a
fatal regression.

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