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Re: Shipping SSL certificates in the base system
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 01:18:55AM +0000, maya%netbsd.org@localhost wrote:
> To reply to your points:
> - Debian doesn't ship ifconfig because it considers it a legacy tool and
> expects you to use 'ip'.
Yes, and they don't ship "netstat" because they expect you to use "ss",
and they don't ship (insert age-old standard Unix utility here) because
they grew up using MS-DOS and they still think feeling super cool for
not running MS-DOS trumps any kind of user convenience or technical
judgment. But I digress!
> - We already have a package tool.
Indeed we do. Reviving syspkg would let us integrate it better with
the basic set of stuff we ship in our base system.
> Do you think pkg_* are doing poorly on file ownership? I don't intend
> to port apt-get.
I think that the fact that we simply _don't_ get elementary things like
file ownership wrong leads me to trust our tools much more than theirs.
> - I assume the open coding of file ownership is because they provide a
> working setup, whereas we expect users to configure things.
I'm not sure at all what this means. To understand what a Debian package
does I have to implement a parser for a Turing-complete language (actually,
several, until they remove things like awk and sed from their default install);
to understand what our system sets do I need 'tar' and what our binary
packages do, approximately mtree. I know where my bread is buttered.
> - Someone has been doing some recent stuff regarding syspkgs:
> I don't plan to do the work on making syspkgs, I just don't want to make
> things worse by adding a full but mostly incapable browser in base.
Captive-portal login is a very real problem. How best to solve it otherwise?
Remember, small embedded systems (easily supported by adding additional sets
using our existing framework) are within scope.
Thor Lancelot Simon tls%panix.com@localhost
"We cannot usually in social life pursue a single value or a single moral
aim, untroubled by the need to compromise with others." - H.L.A. Hart
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