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Re: [HEADS-UP] growfs port for ffs2 and ffs1

Julio Merino <> writes:

> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Matthew Mondor
> <> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:25:39 -0400
>> Thor Lancelot Simon <> wrote:
>> > 1) Please limit your line length to 80 columns when posting to NetBSD
>> > Â Âmailing lists, no matter how upset you are.
>> Almost everytime I see a non-wrapped message posted to the lists, the
>> user agent is Apple Mail (as in this case). ÂAnd when looking at the
>> message source, those are wrapped, but using quoted-printable encoding
>> with = escaped newlines instead of =0A or actual newlines... ÂNot
>> having used Apple Mail myself, I'm not sure if it's configurable,
>> hopefully it is.

Perhaps we can add to the list of admonitions: please don't add random
0xa0 characters.

> I recently took a look at this and found the following:
> (from
> )
> So, summarizing, Apple Mail uses format=flowed (unchangeable it seems)
> which should work in most modern clients.  (Our of pure curiosity, I'm
> wondering which ones do not.  Thor: which client are you using that
> doesn't respect this?)

I think correct format=flowed would be fine; that just changes the
content-type to declare it and adds a space at the end of each line to
denote that re-wrapping is permitted.

But, I believe that Apple's fails to insert \040\012\015 to
keep transmitted lines at 72 characters.  The point of format=flowed is
that text can both follow the standard rules of 72 characters per line
and be refillable by clients that understand the format=flowed rules.

I sent myself a message with Apple Mail, and gnus displays it as one
line.  Part of the problem is that it's quoted-unreadable, which is
ridiculous for message that contains only ASCII.  And part of it is that
it is not labeled format=flowed.

  From: Greg Troxel <>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Subject: test
  Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:34:06 -0400
  Message-Id: <>
  To: Greg Troxel <>
  Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081)
  X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081)

  This is a wicked long line.   In theory it should be format=3Dflowed, =
  but I believe that it will be devoid of internal carriage-returns at 72 =

(My understanding of quoted-unreadable is that '=\n' is supposed to just
eat the newline and be a continuation line.)

So it looks to me like apple mail is broken.

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