Re: Default ABI on Darwin

[William 'Cryo' Coldwell <billc%warped.com@localhost>]

OpenDarwin dissolved after Apple stopped accepting upstream fixes
from us.  PureDarwin still exists, and is x86/x86_64 still, so if
they are bootstrapping pkgsrc on it, a note should be sufficient
because I don't believe there is that great of a userbase, and the
last OpenDarwin we released was 7 which... was a long time ago.

However, keep in mind that a lot of core2 Macbooks exist out there
forever trapped in 32bit and 10.6 (I have 2).  So breaking pkgsrc
on it would kinda suck.  Now that Taylor has DRMKMS in -7, it might
make it worthy for bringing up NetBSD on it with accelerated i950.

Because pkgsrc is so tied to NetBSD (and should be), I would like
to make sure that it maintains the ability to run on older hardware
that NetBSD still supports... without surprising the user.

Finally, yes we support ppc64, which is forever trapped at 10.5 I
think.  The G5 support isn't solid from what I remember, and could
use some work.  I have 2 G5 Xserves sitting at a friend's place
waiting to ship to me whenever I settle down.

My $0.02.

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> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Greg Troxel <gdt%ir.bbn.com@localhost> wrote:
> 
> 
> Jonathan Perkin <jperkin%joyent.com@localhost> writes:
> 
>> I always refer to what `uname -s` outputs and what our OPSYS variable
>> is set to, which on "Mac OS X" is "Darwin".  Same as when I say
>> "SunOS" in commit messages, even though I'm running SmartOS (and SunOS
>> itself is long dead).
> 
> That makes sense.   I'll treat Darwin as a synonym for Mac OS X then.
> 
>> I think what you're referring to is OpenDarwin?
> 
> I think so.   But really I meant that when OS X came out, there was
> Darwin which in theory was open source and then there was some mac stuff
> on top.  So
> 
>  sort-of-open Darwin + proprietary mac-stuff = Mac OS X
> 
> It's not clear to me that the build tools we are using are available for
> or work on Darwin w/o mac-stuff, so I think that in a real sense pkgsrc
> for Darwin supports Mac OS X only, even though uname -s is Darwin.
> 
> If anyone has run pkgsrc recently on a Darwin system that isn't OS X,
> that would be interesting to hear about.