Ah, sorry, I am criss-crossing threads here quite a lot I guess. My point is that _everyone_ else in the "desktop" space is getting X working without any user intervention at all. Right off the install CD. The installer is an X app! I.e. you're not in the "desktop" marketplace unless you have X working right away out of the box without any fiddling whatsoever. However if you can't get X (and wireless, and maybe file shares and printing) working without needing a terminal based text editor to be used from the ASCII/ANSI console then you're not in the "desktop" marketplace and so there's no need to worry about pretending to provide a half-baked bunch of packages that might eventually work together to build a desktop environment -- nobody wanting a desktop system is going to get that far anyway, regardless of whether they can learn to use a text editor or not. On the other hand if you do have X working right away though, we already ship xedit so the user already has a working simple text editor and thus the other thread about adding a user-friendly terminal based text editor to the base NetBSD install is pointless. :-) -- Greg A. Woods H:+1 416 218-0098 W:+1 416 489-5852 VE3TCP RoboHack <woods%robohack.ca@localhost> Planix, Inc. <woods%planix.com@localhost> Secrets of the Weird <woods%weird.com@localhost>
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