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Re: Kernel VS application file caching



On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 09:16:34PM +0000, Sad Clouds wrote:
> On Thursday 21 January 2010 14:52:04 Steven Bellovin wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Sad Clouds wrote:
> > > As far as I know Unix kernels will transparently cache files into any
> > > available memory to speed up future I/O on those files.
> > >
> > > For applications like Internet servers, which serve many static files
> > > from disk, is there any point in implementing file caching at application
> > > level? It seems like you would end up with 2 copies of the same data -
> > > one copy cached by kernel, another copy cached by application.
> > 
> > To avoid kernel-to-userland copies?
> > 
> > What is your real performance limit?  CPU?  RAM?  I/O bandwidth?  Network
> >  bandwidth?
> 
> Well the idea is to keep frequently accessed data in RAM. If you have a 
> machine with 1 Gig of RAM, you can load up a lot of small files. But if 
> someone occasionally decides to download say a 2 Gig .iso file, the data 
> cached just from that one file can evict all other files from RAM.

I'd gently suggest at some point to visit, for instance,
http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/consultants.html.  Given how little you
tell about the grand scheme behind all your questions, it might be
better for you to work that way.

> Ideally there would be a way to tell kernel the maximum amount of data to 
> load 
> into system cache when opening a file. I've looked at madvise(), but it seems 
> to only provide hints to the system after you mmap() a file. It would be 
> useful to set hard limits before loading a file, to avoid cache "pollution".

I'm not quite sure from where you get the idea that calling mmap on a
file makes the kernel load data into memory.

-- 
Quentin Garnier - cube%cubidou.net@localhost - cube%NetBSD.org@localhost
"See the look on my face from staying too long in one place
[...] every time the morning breaks I know I'm closer to falling"
KT Tunstall, Saving My Face, Drastic Fantastic, 2007.

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