Re: CVS commit: pkgsrc/cad/simian-docs

[Joerg Sonnenberger <joerg%britannica.bec.de@localhost>]

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 11:17:59AM +0200, John Marino wrote:
> On 5/20/2012 11:09, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
> >On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:02:45AM +0200, John Marino wrote:
> >>On 5/20/2012 00:45, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
> >>>On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 03:03:01PM +0000, John Marino wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Please note that diffs are not public domain; they are subject to the
> >>>>copyright notices on the relevant files.
> >>>
> >>>Please revert those. They are just messing things up with no real value.
> >>>
> >>>Joerg
> >>
> >>These are DragonFly-specific changes.
> >>* They affect nobody else
> >>* They have value for us.
> >>* It's a standard capability of the pkgsrc makefile
> >>
> >>I don't see why you'd even care.  It doesn't "mess things up" for anybody.
> >
> >You don't address any problem, but are pulling an ostrich. Nothing here
> >is specific to DragonFly and shouldn't be committed as such.
> >
> >Joerg
> 
> Sure I did.
> Upstream (pkgsrc) is not pruning these packages to our liking (a
> problem), our objections were rejected (a problem), so we're
> filtering them out downstream (problem solved).
> 
> The user complaints about "broken" packages are getting directed to
> us, not pkgsrc, and that's also a problem that I just resolved
> without affected any other platform.

I know that there are singular voices objecting the removal. I also
don't agree with them and it is obvious that any further discussion
about that is unlikely to resolve the issue. As such, it is the
responsiblity of the pkgsrc-pmc to resolve it. Your change doesn't fix
the problem (missing distfile) nor is the package broken, if the
distfile is around (e.g. for the various Intel firmware packages some
people do have them). I object to this change because it creates
pointless platform variations for no good reason. Lack of a clear policy
doesn't count.

To bring this issue forward, I put the following suggestion up for
decision making:

    Packages are to be removed from pkgsrc, when the distfiles are not
    distributable and cannot be obtained for a period of one full quarter
    branch. Packages with manual / interactive fetch must have a
    maintainer and it is his/her responsibility to ensure this.

pkgsrc-pmc is in CC.

Joerg