Re: NetBSD 6.1.2 install report (A1200, Bliz 1230mkIV)

[Roc Vallès <vallesroc%gmail.com@localhost>]

> That’s also a limitation of Kickstart. Any bootable partition must be within 
> 4GB. Possibly newer AmigaOS version patch the Kickstart to allow this, but it 
> means that it wouldn’t work for NetBSD cold boot anyway.

I do use blizkick to load a patched kickstart from os3.9. On a cold
boot, it first boots wb3.1: and blizkicks from s:startup-sequence,
then after the reboot it boots wb3.9:. The trick is wb3.9 simply has
higher priority, but it can't be booted until blizzard's shadow
kickstart is updated. The hard disk is big (120GB) and the kickstart
in the rom (Actually v39, 3.0) does only see a small portion of it.

> Can you try HEAD? That should be fixed by now...

Crosscompiled a Current kernel using that athlon-xp netbsd 6.1.2 and
booted it. It worked :)

First attempt was using wsconsole but I got a crash pretty early on
grf0 init. Then tried without grf0 nor grfcc0 and there missing
grf-related symbols on link time, so I gave up on that and configured
ite again.
Second attempt worked fine, ptyfs mounted, I started X and I got a
beautiful kernel dump. I assume to do with wsmouse, which I forgot
enabled.
Booted second attempt again. It did fsck, likely because of the kernel
dump. ssh'd in just fine.
Third attempt: X causes panic anyway. I hope it works with Current userspace...

> Yes, should be fixed by now, please test with kernel from HEAD.

Clock isn't working so well yet with my Current kernel, but I suspect
there's userspace involvement. Delayed until I install Current.

> I suggest you use pkgsrc to build software from sources.

Sounds like a pain on the 030@50, but I'll try and use it to build the
few packages I need once I'm on HEAD.

> That doesn’t surprise me much, but can you give more details about that crash?

I've uploaded the core on a server of mine. I suspect it'll be smooth
once I install Current. We'll see.

http://b.rvalles.net/netbsd/

Q: I have a 68882. Will having FPU emulation help me in any way? (such
as running binaries that use the FPU and are not for the 68882)
Q: is wscons supposed to work with AGA at all? If so, what should the
config look like? (See problem above)
Q: what to enable in config for kernel backtraces / kernel debugger to
show symbols (just DEBUG?)

Now going to bed. The plan is to backup a few files (my slip.sh and
little else) then make a clean install of Current as you suggested
once I'm up again.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Radoslaw Kujawa
<radoslaw.kujawa%c0ff33.net@localhost> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On 2 Dec 2013, at 10:30, Roc Vallès <vallesroc%gmail.com@localhost> wrote:
>
>> I have just installed NetBSD 6.1.2 on my A1200. In doing so, I found
>> some problems so I'll explain how it went.
>
> That’s appreciated! If possible please repeat that for NetBSD HEAD (current) 
> development branch. You can get the daily binary builds from:
> http://nyftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/HEAD/ in subdirectory [date]/amiga/
>
>> Amiga specs:
>> - A1200 (Commodore)
>> - Blizzard 1230mkIV, 68030@50, 68882@50, 64MB
>> - Fujitsu 120GB IDE HD (wd0)
>> - 3Com Gigaherz 3CXE586EC (ep0, PCMCIA... doesn't work on NetBSD yet)
>>
>> First, I obtained the 6.1.2 cdimage through ctorrent (running on
>> AmigaOS). I don't have a cd drive on the Amiga, so I needed
>> diskimage.device (from Aminet) to mount it.
>>
>> http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/diskimage.m68k-aos
>
> You don’t have to download the CD image, you can just download the release 
> from FTP and put the files on your Amiga. Stable releases are to get from:
> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-[version]/amiga/
>
> The files there are exactly the same as on the CD image.
>
>> Reading the Amiga netbsd install guide as linked in the Amiga port
>> page, which I've only now realized it's outdated (by 6.1.2's)
>>
>> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.0/amiga/INSTALL.html
>
> Actually, the guide is there, just link on the page points to outdated 
> version :/...
>
> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.2/amiga/INSTALL.html
>
>>
>> I found I needed partitions to be in the first 4GB of the disk because
>> 1. xstreamtodev can't write past that and 2. netbsd bootblock can't
>> read past that. Since I have other systems installed and I noticed a
>> loadbsd tool, I decided to ignore that and use loadbsd instead.
>
> That’s also a limitation of Kickstart. Any bootable partition must be within 
> 4GB. Possibly newer AmigaOS version patch the Kickstart to allow this, but it 
> means that it wouldn’t work for NetBSD cold boot anyway.
>
>> A major doubt I had while using hdtoolbox was the blocksize. Even for
>> foreign FSs, it must be set. And I assume it's going to affect what
>> the "reserved bootblocks" value actually means. So it is important. I
>> set it to 512 as that's the UNIX typical blocksize but I don't have
>> the slightest clue about how right or wrong that is regarding the
>> bootblocks. While I know the netbsd bootblock doesn't work, I set them
>> anyway, to be on the safe side.
>>
>> And then, the loadbsd in the install cd didn't work. Googling around,
>> I found one that works:
>>
>> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/rkujawa/amiga/grex-wip/loadbsd
>>
>> But it doesn't support gzipped kernels. Thankfully, I had gunzip
>> installed on my AmigaOS. I got the install kernel to boot, and then
>> booted Linux to dd the miniroot into the swap partition.
>>
>> With that, I was able to get to the installer.
>> [...]
>
> Yes, I know the install experience is atrocious. I have plans for fixing 
> that. But plans aren’t that good without adequate amount of time to realise 
> them.
>
>> Afterwards, I booted the GENERIC kernel found in the CD. After exiting
>> the first shell, userspace booted, not without one surprise.
>
> You can omit the single user shell by passing some parameter to loadbsd.
>
>> mkdb
>> crashed and dumped a core.
>
> That doesn’t surprise me much, but can you give more details about that 
> crash? The replacement makemandb was much glorified, but so far for me it has 
> proven to be mostly problematic on low end hardware.
>
>> Clock isn't right.(Maybe fixed by the clock
>> driver in Current, but I don't know if it applies to A1200.)
>
> Yes, should be fixed by now, please test with kernel from HEAD.
>
>> One of the first things I figured out when first logging in is how
>> that GENERIC kernel is different from the /netbsd one.
>
> I don’t really understand how it is different. It should be the same, unless 
> you have installed INSTALL kernel as /netbsd.
>
>> With the ext2
>> support and some help from Linux, I got that kernel into some ados
>> partition for loadbsd to load.
>>
>> Then I did some playing around. Figured out that the PCMCIA ethernet
>> didn't work (as expected, because of the Amiga PCMCIA mmio space
>> problem).
>
> Indeed, it’s a known problem that manifests with 3Com cards. The 
> NE2000-compatible cards, driven by ne(4) are working correctly.
>
>> I wanted a network, so I brought SLIP up using slattach and
>> ser(4). At just 38400bps it is nasty, but at least I can get to the
>> internet.
>>
>> I started X. It worked, moved mouse around for a while even... then
>> the served died. Apparently xterm can't get a pty. Launching just twm
>> with xinit works well enough.
>>
>> Brought up sshd, same issue. But at the very least scp works (useful!).
>
> Can you try HEAD? That should be fixed by now...
>
>> Tried pkgin, but it's not installed (!). Tried to pkg_add pkgin, it didn't 
>> help.
>
> As far as I know pkgin is never installed by default. To pkgadd it, you need 
> to have properly set PKG_PATH environment variable. And even then, I’m not 
> sure if it’s built for m68k by default. The solution I use is to compile 
> things from pkgsrc when needed. Though it takes time.
>
>> To sum it all up, higher priority first:
>>
>> Wishlists
>> […]
>
> Some of these are quite easy to fix, I’ll try to get these done as soon as I 
> have some free time...
>
>> Questions:
>> - What is the correct blocksize for netbsd partitions in hdtoolbox?
>
> 512
>
>> - Why do PTYs not work?
>
> I don’t remember but I have feeling they do work now in HEAD. At least I 
> didn’t notice it on my test machine few days ago.
>
>> - How do you suggest I get pkgin installed?
>
> I suggest you use pkgsrc to build software from sources.
>
>> - Do you want me to test anything?
>
> Please test in HEAD anything that failed in 6.1.2.
>
> Also if you have something from this list:
> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-amiga/2013/08/13/msg007803.html
>
>> - Are there known issues cross compiling Current from i386 netbsd (I
>> have that installed on an athlon-xp) or will I be just fine?
>
> You’ll be fine.
>
>> My current plan: Figure out how to build the Current kernel and try
>> doing that.
>
> 1. Get any UNIX-like machine (may be NetBSD, Linux, MacOS X, anything should 
> work)
> 2. Obtain the HEAD branch source as explained in
> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/chap-fetch.html#chap-fetch-cvs
> 3. Build
> ./build.sh -m amiga -U tools
> ./build.sh -m amiga -U kernel=GENERIC
>
>> Test it. Look into the nic driver to try and get the
>> PCMCIA nic to work on the amiga.
>
> That would be most welcome. As you have noticed the breakage is probably in 
> the Gayle PCMCIA driver, not the actual ep driver.
>
> There are a few people working on an amiga port now. The highlights are 
> around 10 new Amiga-related drivers in HEAD compared to NetBSD 6 (including 
> new drivers for Mediators, X-Surf 100, Thylacine, rewritten drives for RTC, 
> AmigaNet Hydra, older X-Surfs, etc.). But still we are severely understaffed 
> ;).
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Radoslaw Kujawa
>
>
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