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Re: Bootstrap problem with current
On 07/15/17 22:35, coypu%sdf.org@localhost wrote:
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22:54PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
It is not reasonable for -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE to add warnings for things
within the normal interface contract. If it throws a warning for
incorrect use, that's a different thing.
It won't do it any more if he updates glibc, but asking someone to
update his entire libc to use pkgsrc is silly.
Upgrading the primary libc would break compatibility with some
commercial software, which is one of the major reasons people in HPC
(High Performance Computing, or supercomputing) choose enterprise Linux
over Ubuntu, etc.
We could install a newer libc alongside it in a non-standard location,
but this seems like a nasty can of worms.
Installing the latest open source on RHEL/CentOS consumes a lot of
man-hours without a tool like pkgsrc, which provides the newer compilers
and basic libraries and build tools needed. One alternative for HPC
clusters is to partition the resources, running enterprise Linux for
commercial apps on some compute nodes and a bleeding edge OS on others
for open source. This is costly and hinders utilization, so almost
nobody does it. Many are using VMs or containers, but this is also adds
a lot of complexity and overhead.
Pkgsrc makes it really easy to install the latest open source alongside
If we're willing to tolerate a few less-than-ideal patches to support
enterprise Linux, we can have a big impact on scientific research.
We'll also be able to recruit and retain packagers who have no choice
but to use enterprise Linux systems, which will help everyone else in
the pkgsrc community.
As I've stated recently on this list, the HPC community is starting to
warm up to pkgsrc, so now would be a bad time to start adding hurdles
for RHEL/CentOS users.
Earth is a beta site.
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