I don't want to pick on anyone in particular, but do you think y'all
can settle on ONE LIST on which to carry out this "conversation"?
tech-security is probably the most appropriate, which is why this
message is only being sent there.
-- 
Mike Long <mikel@shore.net>                http://www.shore.net/~mikel
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken