Re: netbsd-5.1 cpu probe/attach for 11/7xx?

[der Mouse <mouse%Rodents-Montreal.ORG@localhost>]

>> Not all that small a window; the Qbus space is 4M (well, 4M minus
>> 8K), and the most RAM a KA6[23]0 can have is 16M.
> Yes, but with 4 CPUs, you'll have (potentially) 4*16MB, which is
> 64MB.  4MB in that perspective is a little less.

True enough.  But that would require a Qbus backplane with at least
eight PMI slots (four for CPUs and four for RAM), which as far as I
know does not exist.  Of course one could be built.

>> Very NUMA!  I suppose for DEC's designed-for use case it was fine.
> Yes.  It would also appear to be the only reasonable way to do it
> within the restrictions of the Qbus.

Well...the uV2 already ignores the QBus's restrictions in at least one
respect, with its private memory interconnect.  There's no inherent
reason the interconnect couldn't've been designed to accept multiple
CPUs instead of just one, in which case the only limit on memory
sharing would be the 16MB addressing limit.

> More interesting to go with the NUMA, and have each machine have
> [its] own memory space.  Consider each processors memory as just a
> part of the total physical memory that exist.  Costly with cross
> processor memory access, but that's what NUMA is all about.

Indeed.  It might make a good NUMA research platform _because_
interprocessor access is so costly.

> And while only one processor will deal with interrupts, DMA could
> potentially go to any memory, and you could even potentially let any
> processor initiate I/O.  All you need is proper synchronization. :-)

Just a SMP...er, SMOP. :-)

> And then implement a way for memory contents to migrate from one CPU
> to another, if needed.

I've been toying with the idea of experimenting with that already, but
with Ethernet as the interconnect rather than Qbus.  Perhaps the uV2,
where you don't have to worry about CPUs (and associated resources)
appearing and disappearing at runtime, would be a good first step.

> But I don't know if/how well NetBSD can deal with NUMA architectures?

Neither do I.  But then, I know very little about how NetBSD deals with
multiprocessing of an sort.

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