Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
It's a thought. However I want to wait and see what Matt comes back
with here. It also turns out I've caused a hew and cry on this subject
from the perspective of one of the folks on the Linux-VAX list. (To
which I subscribe.) There I was given mention.
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Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
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"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."=A0 Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lord Isildur [mailto:mrfusion@uranium.club.cc.cmu.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:25 PM
> To: Gregg C Levine
> Cc: port-vax@NetBSD.org
> Subject: RE: GCC wants to declare us obsolete!
>=20
>=20
> I'd be interested in seeing what goes back and forth there. i think
the
> list can handle whatever it is being forwarded..
>=20
> isildur
> who has been pretty sporadic about catching up with the lists
lately, but
> hasnt forgotten!
>=20
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Gregg C Levine wrote:
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> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Well a day....
> > On the GCC list, I just saw a message from our own Matt Thomas. It
> > seems he's one of the two maintainers for GCC for the VAX. While
he
> > didn't mention me by name, he did confirm what I posted. I can
forward
> > to the list everything that I've received on this subject, and its
> > getting to be an interesting one. But only by request.
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > "Use the Force, Luke."=A0 Obi-Wan Kenobi
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: port-vax-owner@NetBSD.org
[mailto:port-vax-owner@NetBSD.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Gregg C Levine
> > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:59 PM
> > > To: port-vax@netbsd.org; 'Henry R. Bent'
> > > Subject: RE: GCC wants to declare us obsolete!
> > >
> > > Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
> > > A follow up. (And I still don't know why the GCC list dropped my
> > other
> > > ID.)
> > > It turns out that the reason why they want to declare that blurb
for
> > > GCC for the VAX, is that there is currently no one that they
know
> > of,
> > > actively maintaining it. Two of them even asked me. Me? I'm an
> > > observer in this business.
> > >
> > > Who maintains GCC for the NetBSD ports? I should think that the
> > fellow
> > > who maintains the one for NetBSD/VAX would be interested in this
> > > issue.
> > > -------------------
> > > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > > "Use the Force, Luke."=A0 Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: port-vax-owner@NetBSD.org
[mailto:port-vax-owner@NetBSD.org]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Gregg C Levine
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:39 PM
> > > > To: 'Henry R. Bent'
> > > > Cc: port-vax@netbsd.org
> > > > Subject: RE: GCC wants to declare us obsolete!
> > > >
> > > > Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
> > > > Oh my.........
> > > > Henry, it happens that I remember a discussion with the lead
> > > > maintainer for GCC for one of the branches, I think it was the
> > move
> > > > towards the version 3 series. He was convinced that to drop
the
> > VAX
> > > > series of ports was appropriate. I agree that it is indeed a
Bad
> > > > Thing. I have not gotten any messages from the GCC list on
this,
> > so
> > > > your message came as a surprise. And I know I am subscribed to
> > that
> > > > same list. I am going to post a message to it, today, and
remind
> > > them
> > > > that there is a need for the VAX- entries in the GCC
collection,
> > and
> > > > that a free simulator does exist.
> > > >
> > > > Also what's the status of moving towards to ELF for VAX? The
last
> > I
> > > > had heard it was expected for this release. I can't recall if
the
> > > > current release number is ELF, or the other format.
> > > > -------------------
> > > > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > > > "Use the Force, Luke."=A0 Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: port-vax-owner@NetBSD.org
> > [mailto:port-vax-owner@NetBSD.org]
> > > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Henry R. Bent
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:32 PM
> > > > > To: port-vax@netbsd.org
> > > > > Subject: GCC wants to declare us obsolete!
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I noticed that in the latest round of gcc obsoletions (for
3.5)
> > > they
> > > > have
> > > > > proposed vax-*-*.  Link is here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2004-06/msg01113.html
> > > > >
> > > > > This would be, I think, a Bad Thing.  Does anyone on the
list
> > have
> > > > any
> > > > > pull with the GCC folks to say "no, don't do this"?  It was
> > > already
> > > > > pointed out in a followup that SIMH provides VAX support,
and as
> > > far
> > > > as I
> > > > > know GCC has not obsoleted the pdp11-*-* targets... I can't
> > follow
> > > > their
> > > > > logic here.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Henry Bent
> > > > > hbent@cs.oberlin.edu
> >
> >