edit /etc/ttys, keep ttyw0 commented out for some cockamaie reason edit /etc/defaults/wscons.conf change wscons to YES DONT turn on xfs/xdm!why would you? voila the trick on vax keyboards: use ctrl-shift F1-7....duh. any recommendations as to upgrading vs reinstall from scratch V 1.5.1 beta? Any advantage? i use mopboot often....at least for installs. Fred