Subject: RE: VAX 4000/100 + cd + syquest ...etc
To: port-vax <port-vax@netbsd.org>
From: Schilling, Richard <RSchilling@affiliatedhealth.org>
List: port-vax
Date: 02/27/2001 10:49:14
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Check out the Compaq web site for technical data on VAX. The manual for the
4000/100 will help you a lot, and I'd be happy to scan it an put it online
if that helps.
Richard Schilling
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BrownM03 [mailto:BrownM03@bigpond.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:54 AM
> To: port-vax
> Cc: Geoff Roberts; Erno Palonheimo; Michael Kukat; P. G.
> Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 + cd + syquest ...etc
>
>
> Thanks to Erno, Geoff, P.G., & Michael for your info so far, much
> appreciated.
> Have progressed a little further, BUT ....
> I now have (of course) more questions & comments :))
>
> 1. Michael
> > BTW: If you are new to VAXen... don't confuse SCSI and DSSI
> on you 100, or
> you
> > could trash this fantastic machine... It's a quite nice beast in
> performance!
> OK, what is the difference between DSSI & SCSI connectors?
> Would it be fair to assume that devices with 5pin power plugs
> are DSSI?
> Or am I grabbing at straws there?
> Fantastic? (I would agree ... but probably mostly from
> ignorance), what
> makes this
> box so good? I've not been able to find much documentation on it.
> > Hm. i restarted the daemon now, but it should really work. Dur to my
> firewall
> > configuration you need active FTP i think. If you get any further
> problems,
> > i could send you the kernel per mail.
> That would be great thanks Michael, my only net-connected
> machine (at the
> moment)
> is a W2K box, and all attempts to connect to
> ftp://ftp.unixiron.homeip.net/NetBSD-vax-1.5
> fail on the LIST command. (I've tried IE,command line & CuteFTP)
> My nix boxes are currently NOT connected as I'm testing the
> reliability of a
> few 121MB
> drives for my smoothwall box (yes I'm too lazy/stupid to make a bsd
> firewall:))
>
> 2. Geoff
> > Careful, I have an Aunt in Tassie....;^)
> Hehe, another two-head? :) ... Hey, did you know that
> according to the
> Vic's that
> SA's are just Tasmanian's who've learnt to swim :))) hehe. jk
> > > VAX 4000-100 $5
> > Nice catch, good system. For BSD or VMS.
> I have a choice now then? hehe. Is VMS worth the effort? Or
> should I just
> stick with BSD?
> ie. I don't want too many eggs (OS's) in my basket (VAX) :)) hehe
> > > [[ ps. also an HP9000 for $2 ... 3xBNC + 1xSCSI ports ...
> > Hmm, hoo yeah. Nice. HPUX hear you come. (I think they
> run BSD too)
> So what can I do with this? It has nothing in it apart from a
> RAM module & a
> 68030!
> ps. I do have a Philips 20C monitor that I MIGHT be able to
> hook up to it...
> but it's 5BNC not 3... and although it may sync on green I've
> never tried.
> Worth selling for $30 you think? Or is it really that good?
> (ie. useable?:))
> > > ps. an hour ago one of my (local) mates said he'd come
> across a drive
> array
> > > (rack mount) with bucket loads of drives in it (all
> 5pin:))))) hehe
> > Sounds like a good idea. Grab it if you can.
> He (and his mate) are stalling a bit. I've offered $20/drive
> or $100 for the
> whole thing.
> He (his mate has the rack) only has one of the drives at
> present... so I've
> (almost) got
> at least one drive (he said a RF35...which is 825MB i think).
> I'll find out
> tomorrow.
> I'm told he has an offer of $500 for the whole thing...
> I'll just hope & pray that it falls through :))
>
> 3. Erno
> > The reason why you're seeing this SyQuest drive seven times has
> > nothing to do with your eyesight, more likely it's because the drive
> > and the controller have the same SCSI ID. The solution is
> to rejumper
> > the drive to something else
> Dead right. Should have noticed earlier :). Have now set
> SyQuest to ID#2.
> All OK.
> Still no boot though :( (what did I expect? hehe)
> But at least I can see:
> DKA100 CD
> DKA200 SyQuest
>
> 4. P.G., Geoff (et all)
> > > I've managed to find a VAX 4000-100 at an auction for a few $
> > If it is AUD, it is even better.... that system is real
> nice! Any hints if
> there
> > is more to come and where? :-)
> Let me know what bits to look for and I'll keep them in mind
> each time I go
> to an auction.
> They're held weekly, and often have computers of various types & age.
> PLUS (for the normal auctions...) there only seem to be about 6-10
> regulars... so should
> be easy to find bargains.
> Between Government departments being relocated interstate,
> system upgrades &
> installs,
> there's often some weird stuff at these auctions, and I'd be
> happy to keep
> an eye out for
> special bits if anyone is looking for something special/different.
>
> 5. Every(any)one :)
> ANY information about 4000-100 vaxen, DSSI, Q-BUS, etc...
> would be handy.
> Including info on the external ports; ie. what they are and
> how I can use
> them.
>
> ps. do you guys prefer short messages? :))
> (yes I'm new to mailing lists as well:)
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Check out the Compaq web site for technical data on =
VAX. The manual for the 4000/100 will help you a lot, and I'd be =
happy to scan it an put it online if that helps.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Richard Schilling</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: BrownM03 [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:BrownM03@bigpond.com">mailto:BrownM03@bigpond.com</A>]</F=
ONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:54 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: port-vax</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: Geoff Roberts; Erno Palonheimo; Michael =
Kukat; P. G.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 + cd + syquest =
...etc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Thanks to Erno, Geoff, P.G., & Michael for =
your info so far, much</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> appreciated.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Have progressed a little further, BUT =
....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I now have (of course) more questions & =
comments :))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 1. Michael</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > BTW: If you are new to VAXen... don't =
confuse SCSI and DSSI </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> on you 100, or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > could trash this fantastic machine... It's =
a quite nice beast in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> performance!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> OK, what is the difference between DSSI & =
SCSI connectors?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Would it be fair to assume that devices with =
5pin power plugs </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> are DSSI?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Or am I grabbing at straws there?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Fantastic? (I would agree ... but probably =
mostly from </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ignorance), what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> makes this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> box so good? I've not been able to find much =
documentation on it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Hm. i restarted the daemon now, but it =
should really work. Dur to my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> firewall</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > configuration you need active FTP i think. =
If you get any further</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> problems,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > i could send you the kernel per =
mail.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> That would be great thanks Michael, my only =
net-connected </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> machine (at the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> moment)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> is a W2K box, and all attempts to connect =
to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <A =
HREF=3D"ftp://ftp.unixiron.homeip.net/NetBSD-vax-1.5" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.unixiron.homeip.net/NetBSD-vax-1.5</A></FONT=
>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> fail on the LIST command. (I've tried =
IE,command line & CuteFTP)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> My nix boxes are currently NOT connected as I'm =
testing the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> reliability of a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> few 121MB</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> drives for my smoothwall box (yes I'm too =
lazy/stupid to make a bsd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> firewall:))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 2. Geoff</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Careful, I have an Aunt in =
Tassie....;^)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hehe, another two-head? :) ... Hey, did =
you know that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> according to the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Vic's that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> SA's are just Tasmanian's who've learnt to swim =
:))) hehe. jk</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > VAX =
4000-100 &nbs=
p; $5</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Nice catch, good system. For BSD or =
VMS.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have a choice now then? hehe. Is VMS worth =
the effort? Or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> should I just</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> stick with BSD?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ie. I don't want too many eggs (OS's) in my =
basket (VAX) :)) hehe</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > [[ ps. also an HP9000 for $2 ... =
3xBNC + 1xSCSI ports ...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Hmm, hoo yeah. Nice. HPUX hear =
you come. (I think they </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> run BSD too)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> So what can I do with this? It has nothing in =
it apart from a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> RAM module & a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 68030!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ps. I do have a Philips 20C monitor that I =
MIGHT be able to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> hook up to it...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> but it's 5BNC not 3... and although it may sync =
on green I've </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> never tried.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Worth selling for $30 you think? Or is it =
really that good? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (ie. useable?:))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ps. an hour ago one of my (local) =
mates said he'd come </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> across a drive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> array</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > (rack mount) with bucket loads of =
drives in it (all </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 5pin:))))) hehe</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Sounds like a good idea. Grab it if =
you can.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> He (and his mate) are stalling a bit. I've =
offered $20/drive </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> or $100 for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> whole thing.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> He (his mate has the rack) only has one of the =
drives at </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> present... so I've</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (almost) got</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> at least one drive (he said a RF35...which is =
825MB i think). </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I'll find out</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> tomorrow.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I'm told he has an offer of $500 for the whole =
thing...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I'll just hope & pray that it falls through =
:))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 3. Erno</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > The reason why you're seeing this SyQuest =
drive seven times has</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > nothing to do with your eyesight, more =
likely it's because the drive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > and the controller have the same SCSI =
ID. The solution is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> to rejumper</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the drive to something else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Dead right. Should have noticed earlier :). =
Have now set </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> SyQuest to ID#2.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> All OK.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Still no boot though :( (what did I =
expect? hehe)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> But at least I can see:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> DKA100 CD</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> DKA200 SyQuest</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 4. P.G., Geoff (et all)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I've managed to find a VAX =
4000-100 at an auction for a few $</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > If it is AUD, it is even better.... that =
system is real </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> nice! Any hints if</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > is more to come and where? :-)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Let me know what bits to look for and I'll keep =
them in mind </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> each time I go</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> to an auction.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> They're held weekly, and often have computers =
of various types & age.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> PLUS (for the normal auctions...) there only =
seem to be about 6-10</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> regulars... so should</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> be easy to find bargains.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Between Government departments being relocated =
interstate, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> system upgrades &</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> installs,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there's often some weird stuff at these =
auctions, and I'd be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> happy to keep</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> an eye out for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> special bits if anyone is looking for something =
special/different.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 5. Every(any)one :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ANY information about 4000-100 vaxen, DSSI, =
Q-BUS, etc... </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> would be handy.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Including info on the external ports; ie. what =
they are and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> how I can use</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> them.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ps. do you guys prefer short messages? =
:))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (yes I'm new to mailing lists as well:)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
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