Subject: Re: 4000/60 weird behavior
To: Michael Kukat <port-vax@vaxpower.de>
From: None <nbsd@righi.dhs.org>
List: port-vax
Date: 07/17/2000 10:09:28
sorry it is a RZ29B!!
my mistake


On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Michael Kukat wrote:

> Hi !
> 
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 nbsd@righi.dhs.org wrote:
> > thanks to all of you I could finally install NetBSD on my 4000/60
> > I Also  installed a DEC RZ25 4GB disk on my vaxstation.
> 
> How do you get 4GB out of a RZ25? I wanna know, mine is just 425MB :-)
> 
> > if I make a very hard and heavy compiling job like compiling 6 or 7
> > applications teh same time so that I Can use all the RAM Avaliable it
> > happend to me that the system crashed and kenel debugger started. I traced
> > back and I got GCC was the one which made the system crash... but this
> 
> Did you create and activate some swap?
> 
> > happened to me only one time. Now what is happeniing is really very weird.
> > AFter a while the system is running if I make hard compilation jobs, it
> > happened to me 2 times that the system hangs withotu a reason, no core
> > dumps no kernel crash, just NOTHING is displayed on the screen.
> > ALSO the RESET switch on the front of the vaxstation does not work anymore
> > and the only way for me is to POWER-CYCLE the machinee which reboots
> > correctly  doing fsck. also the reste switch is hanging very weird!
> 
> It's not a RESET, it's a HALT button which does some kind of non-maskable
> interrupt. If this doesn't result in a CPU halt, the machine is really
> extremely crashed. Did you ever had VMS or so running under heavy load? I
> compiled 2 kernels today on my 4000/90 with NetBSD 1.5_ALPHA, and had
> absolutely no problems, so i think, the problem might not be NetBSD-related.
> 
> > Anyone of you happened before this problem of machine hanging ??
> > could it be a problem of overheating ??
> 
> Mybe, in the worst case some very fine breaks in the lines on the PCB, this
> would give such behaviour. But we don't want to think of such worse problems.
> 
> > could it be a problem due to the fact that a PIN in a SIMM socket of my
> > vaxstation is damaged ??
> 
> Maybe... Try to get this fixed, usually with a fine needle, this works ok.
> 
> > the memory test anyways shows me all the memory is OK!
> 
> In the COLD state. Did you do some "TEST MEM" after such a hard crash as
> you described? You might also do a "SET FBOOT 0" and power-cycle the machine,
> then you can be sure it does a full RAM check, not the quick check.
> 
> > and I do not think it can be overhating.
> > I installed the new SCSI disk at about 2 centimeters higher than the
> > motherboard and it has no physical touch with any part of the vaxstation
> > case.
> 
> VAXen usually have a nice cooling, i don't think of a real overheating, but
> some of your problems could come from some devices having problems, which they
> only show after getting a bit warmer.
> 
> > well let me know if someone of you ever experienced this problem which is
> > very weird and  impossible to explain why it happens for me!
> 
> I never had a problem with a VAX which i couldn't remove by power-cycling the
> machine, or which really was some kernel bug. I know of a case, where a
> VS 4000/60 self-repaired it, it did absolutely nothing, but after it ran in
> this "zombie" state for several hours, it suddenly made those beeps after
> a self check. Since then, the box works fine again (hi Marc :-)
> 
> ...Michael
> 
> -- 
>  Michael@unixiron.org, Rottweil/Germany, http://www.bsdfans.org
>  I'm using: [solaris] [hp-ux] [irix] [freebsd] [netbsd] [openbsd] [linux]
> 
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