Subject: Don't buy a vax, but the vax (was Re: RIP, VAX)
To: Lord Isildur <mrfusion@crue.jdwarren.com>
From: J.S. Havard <enigma@sevensages.org>
List: port-vax
Date: 08/26/1999 19:47:40
I think that is a better name for this thread. :-)
Well, if somebody wants to register nuvax.com, I'll be glad to host the
site. I've got a few gigs of space that has nothing on it. I also burned
a CD last night of my source code archives (just in case some idiot
decides to close their source), so I can clear up about another gig.
Regards,
John Havard
Head Geek
The Seven Sages Project
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Lord Isildur wrote:
> I advocate TURBOchannel on technical superiority and simplicity of
> implementation. The only reason PCI interfaces are cheap is because
> a: people dont always use the full bus , and b: there is a ridiculous
> economy of scale going on.
> TC is simple intrinsically and cheaper to implement. a 100 MHz TC would
> blow PCI out of the water.
> As for your soundblaster and so on, i advocate general purpose
> interfaces: SCSI, 1394,generic analog, generic hi and lo speed async and
> sync serial, ethernet, and self-contained graphics head which is NOT
> a console (thenyou can stuff 5 of them in the same box, as in a Real
> Computer). Alwasy serial console, no way around it, thats just the way i
> think it should be. Also, all mass storage interfaces i think should
> emulate MSCP, like an Emulex or a CMD scsi adapter does. MSCP is such an
> elegant and powerful abstraction, it shouldnt be left to bite the dust.
> (also, since it is really a special case of CI, those high speed generic
> serial interfaces coudl really be treated as CI adapters... getting
> ambitioous here) I'd like to really implement the VAX as manywould have
> dreamed it to be. Sort of like a 6000 series, but smaller, simpler,
> cheaper to make. modern VLSI makes that possible.
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Andrew Phillips wrote:
>
> > > Hmm, register nuvax.com and start spreading the word? ;-)
> >
> > Perhaps the FreeVMS people would be interested too?
> >
> > RE: the custom ASIC/CPU idea. That would take _real_ effort and
> > money up front. It might be easier to use a different approach to start
> > - perhaps emulation (and if the rumours about the transmeta chip are
> > true, then microcode is how the ia32 instructions will be handled too),
> > or via a FPGA. Turbo channel is nice, I grant you. But picture using a
> > Soundblaster 64 AWE/ DVD player on your home nuVAX ... Perhaps the
> > first generation could fit into those Alpha/K7 motherboards too.
> >
> > There is nothing to stop you having asic's to handle custom buses/re
> > implementations of old favourites. You'd need to design your own
> > motherboard eventually anyway. I saw an ATX StrongARM motherboard from
> > some company recently. Looked ideal for this sort of stuff.
> >
> > Face it, Intel assembly is just plain nasty, We need to revive
> > the VAX.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > a.
> >
> > p.s. I'm looking for a Keyboard/Mouse cable to fit a DECstation 5000/240
> > (one of those DB15 -> {rj11/ps2} combinations - same as DEC3000 series
> > alpha stations.) If you have one in the UK, for a reasonable price -
> > Say a tenner + P&P, I'm interested. Otherwise I have to build one.
> > --
> > atp@nojunk-mssl.ucl.ac.uk | Dr. Andy Phillips
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> >
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