In article <Pine.NEB.3.96.971229084437.2175A-100000@like.duh.org>,
	tv@pobox.com (Todd Vierling) writes:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, matthew green wrote:
> 
>: as far as i'm aware, this is a bug in pine.  get a better mailer.  :-)
> 
> Um, then tell me how Pine is capable of tricking the kernel into keeping its
> pty slave device even after the master side is closed, and why this doesn't
> happen under 1.2.1 (or 1.2F, for that matter)?  And why tcsh can do it too,
> under tricky conditions? 

Similar things happen to me from time to time on NetBSD/pc532 as well.
When my X-Terminal dies, I often get a pty with my old bash still running
after logging in again.

Matthias