I'd just like to thank Theo for the work he has done on the 4/X00
	port, as I have a 4/300 in user service thanks to the time he 
	spent in debugging a kernel for me.

	It would obviously be much better to have that SCSI code into the
	-current tree so I could configure up my own kernels & properly
	track -current, and I guess I have to add another bewildered voice
	to those asking why theo isn't able to commit his code.

	I'm no doubt sticking my nose in where I'm not wanted here, but the
	bottom line is - I really think NetBSD is something
	special giving real BSD on so many platforms, and I like
	seeing it getting better all the time. Theo has done a lot of work
	on the 4/X00 stuff, and although I'll probably never even see a
	4/110 (again) I'd like to see all its changes & everything else
	put in to NetBSD to keep making it better.

	The NetBSD & FreeBSD seem irrevocably split for a reason many of
	us don't know,  which was bad enough for BSD, but if NetBSD is
	losing people like Theo (How many people like Theo are they around
	to work on NetBSD anyway), I guess I'm just as frustrated as a lot
	of other people.

	I'll apologise here to pk & others of core for making such ignorant
	statements, but unless we know why things have to be like they are,
	or if there is some hope for things getting back together then
	ignorant (& frustrated) statements are all we've got.

	(Sorry for the ramblings - but its late & I have a hell of a migrane
	& do not feel up to rewriting)

		David


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On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, John Stone wrote:

> > two of the biggest problems with the sun4m port at this stage
> > is the total lack of pmap code, and mmu code.  
> 
> > theo deraadt
> > has done most (all?) of the work for this port so far, but he's
> > hesitant to contribute after being asked to leave core.  i do
> > miss his contributions.
> > 
> > .mrg.
> > 
> 
>    We're also missing a lot of good code that Theo has already got working
> for other things.  Theo has working 4/100 code, new framebuffer
> drivers, and new scsi drivers, none of which are in the tree 
> because he doesn't have CVS access anymore and it'd take forever to 
> do it any other way.  There are MANY diffs that make things like the 4/100
> work.  Theo and I spent a month writing and debugging framebuffer drivers
> for P4 cg6 and cg8, fixing the mouse drivers to work on the 4/x00 machines,
> testing X on the new drivers, the list goes on and on.
> 
> Does anyone else even _care_ about having working 4/x00 code???
> If so, lets heear from you.  I'd REALLY like to see this stuff 
> make it into the tree, and SOMEONE is going to have to cooperate with
> Theo to make it happen.  
> 
> I'm sick of this problem being under the table.  Its time that we
> get all of these fixes in the tree.
> 
> So there it is.  Flame me if you must, but after spending a TON of my time
> helping debug, test, and write fixes for the 4/x00 machines, I want to 
> see it in the tree!  It isn't doing anyone else any good if it remains
> on a hard disk in Canada until the end of time.  
> 
> I'm sorry if I'm stepping on toes, but I feel that my waiting patiently for
> 2 months has gotten me nothing, so I have to scream now.
> 
>    John Stone
>    johns@cs.umr.edu
> 
> 
>