Never mind about the widgets - dumb newbie mistake:  I  was messing 
around with  a "home" copy of .xinitrc, and thought it ought to work 
like vnc's xstartup with the wm program invocation AFTER the 'useful' X 
app startups instead of leaving it before them as the original script 
has it.  

Once I caught on to that (finally noticed ps not showing the wm program 
running when I ran ps from one of the xterms ;-).  twm and Blackbox ran 
fine.  I have not re-installed ratpoison or matchbox, and icewm has some 
other error with UTF character sets that Jeremy Reed has a fix for in 
2.0, IIRC from  a Google search on that issue.

That still leaves me wondering how to use stylus/touchscreen on the MP 
780 like a mouse - in particular, once I mark some text in an xterm, how 
do I paste it?

TIA,
Rory

ROC wrote:

> I recently installed the full set of  installation packages for 1.6.2 
> on a NEC MobilePro 780 with 512 MB CF card (the docs indicating that 
> 256 is enough are way outdated),  and it seemed like all was well.  I 
> tried the twm for X windows, and found it a bit too minimal and 
> unusable (are there any docs specific to using X on these touch 
> screens intead of using a mouse? It is quite baffling.)
>
> So I tried Matchbox - screen shots looked encouraging, but I should 
> have noticed they were from keyboardless quarter-VGA PDA's, probably 
> Ipaq's running Linux.  It was no more intuitive to use than twm, and 
> of course no docs for something like NetBSD on a MP 7x0.
>
> Next I tried installing icewm since I am familiar  with it on Solaris 
> and Linux, and hoped I could transfer my knowledge/config from those, 
> but when I started X with it,   the windows came up with absolutely NO 
> decorations/widgets/bars/buttons,  etc. - just plain borderless 
> xterms, and the xclock (also without any widgets).  There is no way to 
> change or move any of the windows since there are no frames to "grab", 
> no buttons to bring up menus, no scrollbars, no title bars,  no 
> taskbar - nothing.
>
> I figured this was some peculiar NetBSD/MIPS porting result, and went 
> looking for other window managers (wm's), and came across someone's 
> suggestion for ratpoison (wotta name ;-), and installed it, and Boom! 
> - same total lack of widgets as icewm.  Now I'm suspicious, and revert 
> to twm, and even it's minimal widgets are no longer present.   Did 
> Matchbox do this? Or icewm?  Any ideas?  Do I need to re-install any 
> of the installation X packages?
>
> TIA,
>


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