Subject: Re: selecting a portable platform for netbsd
To: None <port-hpcmips@netbsd.org>
From: Miles Nordin <carton@Ivy.NET>
List: port-hpcmips
Date: 02/20/2003 00:28:58
>>>>> "ms" == Mattias Sandstrom <mattias@beauty.se> writes:

    ms> can i expect to get out of 32 megs? 

    ms> rxvt, dillo and abiword at the same time,

Here's a screenshot of 'top' on my 32MB MC-R700A if it helps you.  As
you can see I have a microdrive and swap, but you could still compare
the sizes of things to your i386.

load averages:  0.92,  0.65,  0.56                                     04:45:33
50 processes:  49 sleeping, 1 on processor
CPU states: 10.8% user,  0.0% nice,  5.1% system,  0.0% interrupt, 84.1% idle
Memory: 13M Act, 7140K Inact, 500K Wired, 8012K Exec, 1492K File, 1380K Free
Swap: 96M Total, 24M Used, 72M Free

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE   SIZE   RES STATE      TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
  351 carton     2    0  3716K 2712K select    28:47  8.35%  8.35% Xhpc
23758 root      33    0   204K  988K CPU        0:04  4.82%  4.79% top
  364 carton     2    0  1048K 2080K select     0:13  1.51%  1.51% xterm
  462 carton     2    4    13M 9544K select   132:03  0.29%  0.29% emacs
    7 root     -18    0     0K 1236K pgdaemon   5:33  0.24%  0.24% [pagedaemon]
    6 root      10    0     0K 1236K apmev    117:16  0.00%  0.00% [apmdev0]
  397 carton     2    0   860K 1428K select     7:52  0.00%  0.00% xterm
 2742 postfix    2    0   332K  712K select     6:30  0.00%  0.00% qmgr
    9 root      18    0     0K 1236K syncer     4:43  0.00%  0.00% [ioflush]
    8 root     -18    0     0K 1236K reaper     4:17  0.00%  0.00% [reaper]
  400 carton     2    0   108K  916K select     0:59  0.00%  0.00% oclock
  363 carton     2    0   764K 1232K select     0:50  0.00%  0.00% olvwm
  401 carton     2    0   536K 1108K select     0:50  0.00%  0.00% xconsole
20959 carton     3    0  1256K 1484K ttyin      0:48  0.00%  0.00% mutt
   97 root       2    0   196K  560K select     0:46  0.00%  0.00% syslogd
 2740 root       2    0   220K  656K select     0:38  0.00%  0.00% master
  398 carton     2    0   848K 1240K select     0:35  0.00%  0.00% xterm
  935 named      2    0  1936K  512K select     0:28  0.00%  0.00% named
   10 root     -18    0     0K 1236K aiodoned   0:22  0.00%  0.00% [aiodoned]
  945 root       2    0  1448K  548K select     0:14  0.00%  0.00% dhcpd
14193 carton     2    0  2348K  540K select     0:11  0.00%  0.00% links
22534 root      18    0   380K  880K pause      0:09  0.00%  0.00% ksh
  399 carton     2    0   936K 1208K select     0:09  0.00%  0.00% xterm
19211 carton     2    0   824K  856K select     0:09  0.00%  0.00% ssh
  216 root      10    0   240K  532K nanoslee   0:07  0.00%  0.00% cron
  227 carton     2    0   144K  344K select     0:04  0.00%  0.00% ssh-agent
  125 root      10    0   400K  364K mfsidl     0:03  0.00%  0.00% mount_mfs
  190 root       2    0   568K  460K select     0:03  0.00%  0.00% sshd
  218 carton    18    0   376K  668K pause      0:02  0.00%  0.00% ksh
  409 carton    18    0   384K  688K pause      0:01  0.00%  0.00% ksh
  407 carton    18    0   380K  688K pause      0:01  0.00%  0.00% ksh
  405 root      10    0   340K  856K wait       0:01  0.00%  0.00% sh
  115 root       2    0   172K  528K select     0:01  0.00%  0.00% rpcbind
  408 carton    18    0   368K  688K pause      0:00  0.00%  0.00% ksh
  370 carton    18    0   368K  656K pause      0:00  0.00%  0.00% ksh
    5 root      10    0     0K 1236K pcicev     0:00  0.00%  0.00% [pcic0,0,1]
    4 root      10    0     0K 1236K pcicev     0:00  0.00%  0.00% [pcic0,0,0]
    3 root      10    0     0K 1236K usbtsk     0:00  0.00%  0.00% [usbtask]
    2 root      10    0     0K 1236K usbevt     0:00  0.00%  0.00% [usb0]
    1 root      10    0    68K  480K wait       0:00  0.00%  0.00% init
  350 carton    10    0    48K  480K wait       0:00  0.00%  0.00% xinit
23788 root      10    0    16K  460K nanoslee   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sleep
  357 carton    10    0   224K  412K wait       0:00  0.00%  0.00% sh
  245 root      10    0   344K  252K wait       0:00  0.00%  0.00% sh
22999 postfix    2    0   216K  668K select     0:00  0.00%  0.00% pickup
22523 root       2    0   336K  576K select     0:00  0.00%  0.00% pppd
  211 root       2    0   120K  524K select     0:00  0.00%  0.00% inetd
  166 root       2    0   156K  456K select     0:00  0.00%  0.00% lpd
  365 carton     2    0   128K  436K select     0:00  0.00%  0.00% olwmslave
    0 root     -18    0     0K 1236K schedule   0:00  0.00%  0.00% [swapper]

    ms> whether the 168 mhz cpu is faster or slower than my p133.

I don't know.  I think the cache in these machines is very small.
Also the FPU is software-emulated, which will make some programs very
slow including mpg123.  You'll have to use that other MP3 player, the
fixed-point arithmetic one.  And also the sound does not work on my
MobilePro 800 which is one model series older but similar to the 780.
And even if the audio driver worked, the audio interface is that
speaker/mic handsfree jack like celfones have, so it's not stereo.
Needless to say I can't play MP3s or Oggs on mine.

Finally, like I said I get a lot of 'silo overflows' on the serial
port even at 38400 bps, so I think there may be something goofy about
interrupt handling on these machines, too.

but at least it's not a PeeCee, right?  That's the important thing.
And thanks to the power of open source, you can use all those
fantastic Sun programs like OpenOffice and Java.  oh, wait...d'oh.

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