Subject: Re: Slightly Off-Topic...
To: Kevin P. Neal <>
From: Vance Dereksen <>
List: port-alpha
Date: 06/25/2001 22:34:15
You are talking about UNIX System Services for OS/390.  This is not UNIX.  
This is a UNIX "skin" for OS/390.  If you want to do anything serious with
OS/390, stick with the MVS interface, or even the VM/CMS interface.  If
you want to do real UNIX, use Linux/390.  Or wait until my NetBSD/s390
port works (I'm working on it... be patient).  UNIXSS/390 is not, nor is
it meant to be, UNIX.  Period.  It is simply there to provide UNIX users a
way of migrating their knowledge to MVS/ESA.

Peace...  Sridhar

Sridhar Ayengar
30FA MLC Screening Equipment Engineering
IBM Corp.

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Kevin P. Neal wrote:

> Ha! You've never used Unix/390-or-whatever-they-call-it. The Unix-on-MVS
> thing is the worst Unix on the market, hands down. Total crap. They
> can't even be bothered to include the whole sendmail distribution or
> bother with a basic sending-mail-only configuration. Oh, and they
> just recently figured out that they needed to ship super-fancy cutting-
> edge programs like "/bin/csh". Whoa. Way ahead of the curve there,
> fellas. Oh, and X? Forget it. Need to eval `resize`? Forget it, learn
> to use stty and set environmental variables.
> These people don't buy arguments like "but EVERY LAST ONE of your
> competitors ships that shell utility, why can't you?" They want
> requirements (paperwork) filled out and submitted through the
> user association "SHARE". That is, unless I misunderstood the IBM employee
> who told me that on a listserv. 
> AIX is a thing of beauty next to OE/USS/Unix-390/that-garbage-thing.
> -- 
> Kevin P. Neal                      
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