Timo Schöler wrote:

>>>> I'm trying to install netbsd on an HP Jornada 720 handheld.  I've 
>>>> been using the method described here:
>>>> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-hpcarm/2003/01/07/0001.html
>>>> I have the 3 files mentioned:
>>>> JINSTALL.gz , hpcboot.cnf, hpcboot.exe
>>>> I'm wanting to install to either a 256MB or a 512MB (whichever size 
>>>> is more appropriate) CompactFlash card.
>>>> I've been working off of the NetBSD Guide document, specifically 
>>>> the example installation at:
>>>> http://www.netbsd.org/guide/en/chap-exinst.html
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I've done so far:
>>>> -I've been trying to install it on a 256MB CF card & I've created a 
>>>> 5MB DOS partition as the first (and only) partition on the card to 
>>>> start.
>>>> -I've copied the 3 files needed to this DOS partition (JINSTALL.gz 
>>>> , hpcboot.cnf, hpcboot.exe)
>>>> -I insert the CF card in the Jornada 720 & power it on.
>>>> -I've been copying the 3 files then from the CF card into the "My 
>>>> Handheld PC", so that I can run them from there (instead of off the 
>>>> card, in case this is a problem)
>>>> -Launch HPCBOOT.EXE
>>>> Boot to netbsd sysinst:
>>>> After boot:
>>>> -Enter pathname of shell or RETURN for sh: <enter>
>>>> Then I see the familiar sysinst main screen:
>>>> =========
>>>> Welcome to sysinst, the NetBSD- system installation tool  This 
>>>> menu-driven
>>>> tool is designed to help you install NetBSD to a hard disk, or 
>>>> upgrade an
>>>> existing NetBSD system, with a minimum of work.  In the following 
>>>> menus, you
>>>> may change the current selection by either typing the reference 
>>>> letter (a, b,
>>>> c, ...).  Arrow keys may also work.  You activate the current 
>>>> selection from
>>>> the menu by typing the enter key.
>>>> If you booted from a floppy, you may now remove the disk.
>>>> Thank you for using NetBSD!
>>>> NetBSD- Install System
>>>> a: Install NetBSD to hard disk **
>>>> b: Upgrade NetBSD on a hard disk
>>>> c: Re-install sets or install additional sets
>>>> d: Reboot the computer
>>>> e: Utility menu
>>>> x: Exit Install System
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> I make my way through the initial setup screens 
>>>> (partitioning/disklabels)  and I come to the next series of screens:
>>>>
>>>> =========
>>>> The NetBSD distribution is broken into a collection of distribution 
>>>> sets.
>>>> There are some basic sets that are needed by all installations and 
>>>> there are some other sets that are not needed by all 
>>>> installations.  You may choose to
>>>> install all of them (Full installation) or you select from the 
>>>> optional distribution sets.
>>>> Select your distribution
>>>> a: Full installation
>>>> b: Custom installation **
>>>> =========
>>>> The following is the list of distribution sets that will be used.
>>>> Distribution set   Use?
>>>> ------------------ ----
>>>> Base         :     Yes
>>>> System (/etc):     Yes
>>>> Compiler     :     Yes
>>>> Games        :     Yes
>>>> Manuals      :     Yes
>>>> Miscellaneous:     Yes
>>>> Text tools   :     Yes
>>>> X11 clients  :     Yes
>>>> X11 fonts    :     Yes
>>>> X11 contrib  :     Yes
>>>> X programming:     Yes
>>>> X11 Misc.    :     Yes
>>>> =========
>>>> During the extraction process, do you want to see the file names as 
>>>> each file
>>>> is extracted?
>>>> yes or no?
>>>> a: No
>>>> b: Yes **
>>>> =========
>>>> Your disk is now ready for installing the kernel and the 
>>>> distribution sets.
>>>> As noted in your INSTALL notes, you have several options.  For ftp 
>>>> or nfs,
>>>> you must be connected to a network with access to the proper 
>>>> machines.  If
>>>> you are not ready to complete the installation at this time, you 
>>>> may select
>>>> "none" and you will be returned to the main menu to complete the
>>>> installation.
>>>> Select medium
>>>> a: ftp
>>>> b: nfs
>>>> c: cdrom
>>>> d: floppy
>>>> e: unmounted fs
>>>> f: local dir
>>>> g: none
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS WHERE I AM LOST!  I have no idea which option to choose, or 
>>>> where these distribution sets are located relative to my install on 
>>>> the Jornada.  Do I need a network connection?  Would they already 
>>>> be part of what is on my CF card at this point?  I just have no 
>>>> idea.  If  I need a network connection, how can I set this up, 
>>>> since I'm in the middle of the install (I have a wireless card or I 
>>>> could use the modem, if that would be better).
>>>>
>>>> This is my FIRST time installing NetBSD on any platform - not just 
>>>> the Jornada.  Please help!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>> -sheree
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i guess you have a NIC in your PDA (AFAIK it has a PCMCIA slot), and 
>>> i may assume the install kernel is aware of it and got it configured.
>>>
>>> so go the 'a: ftp' way and either fetch the sets located usually in 
>>> /pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-1.6.2/hpcarm/binary/sets from ftp.netbsd.org (or 
>>> your next ftp.CC.netbsd.org) or from a ftp server in your LAN, where 
>>> you store these sets (you can also extract them from the iso image, 
>>> btw).
>>>
>>> then the installer should ask you a few simple-to-answer questions 
>>> on the network config you wish to use -- voila!
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>> Thanks for your reply!  Well, I do have a wireless pcmcia card for 
>> it.  Previously, I had not inserted it during the install.  This 
>> time, I inserted it prior to the install.  I noticed before the 
>> initial "-Enter pathname of shell or RETURN for sh: " prompt comes us 
>> that this line appeared in the boot sequence: "Lucent Technologies, 
>> WaveLAN/IEEE, Version 01.01 (manufacturer 0x0156, product 0x0002) at 
>> pcmcia0, function 0 not configured"
>
>
> "not configured" means that there's no driver (in the kernel you use) 
> to use this card. if possible, try a more 'generic' card, e.g. any old 
> fiberline, smc or 3com PCMCIA card. AFAICS you'd need to build another 
> kernel to support your card (supposing there's already a driver for 
> it, i don't know but i think so ;)
>
>>
>> I ran the install exactly as before.  Now, when I get to the ftp 
>> choice, I get the message "I can not find any network interfaces for 
>> use by NetBSD.  You will be returned to the previous menu."  What do 
>> I need to do for it to recognize (and configure) my wireless card?
>
>
> see above.
>
>>
>> Do I need to provide drivers?  How and at what point?  Is there a 
>> configuration utility to run for a wireless card prior to starting 
>> the sysinstall?
>
>
> i) yes, ii) in the kernel (or as a LKM (Loadable Kernel Module), but 
> not for the issue of installing (as usually typical INSTALL kernels 
> lack LKM support), iii) no; either it is "configured" correctly, then 
> sysinstall will configure it like any other NIC, or it is "not 
> configured" and you're lost...
>
> you could (as a workaround, if you don't have any other NIC 
> accessable) create a partition scheme on your compact flash card, copy 
> the files there and access them from there. i did so on an amiga 
> installation...
>
>>
>> Thank you so much for helping me with this!
>
>
> you're welcome! ;)
>
I have several wireless NICs, but all of them give the same "not 
configured" message shown above.  The  NICs I have are:
- Orinoco Classic Gold PC Card 802.11b
- Lucent Technologies WaveLAN IEEE 802.11b Silver
- Agere Systems (Proxim) Gold PC Card 802.11b
- Netgear WG511 - 54Mbps
- Netgear  WG511T - 108Mbps
and I even have one wired card: Netgear FA511 32bit CardBus 10/100Mbps

I feel like I'm in a catch-22:  It sounds like I need to build a kernel 
to get the wireless drivers included in the kernel, but since I don't 
have an existing NetBSD install, and I can't get my network connection 
to work, I can't even install NetBSD to begin with!!!

Is there is any way you can help me by giving me more detail about how 
to go about your last suggestion: "create a partition scheme on your 
compact flash card, copy the files there and access them from there. i 
did so on an amiga installation... "??  I think might be my only option 
at this point.  What kind of partition should it be & does it matter 
which partition it is (0,1,2, etc)?  What are the commands to load the 
drivers from the partition?  At what point in the install do I need to 
run those commands?

Thank you again for your patience with all my questions.