On 07/07/2001 11:09:22 Manuel Bouyer asks:
>On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 10:54:41PM -0700, Paul Newhouse wrote:
>> My mailer keeps getting:
>> 
>> Jul  6 22:36:41 bigbox sendmail[27953]: f675TXD27566: to=current-users@netbsd.org, \
>> ctladdr=newhouse (7769/20), delay=00:07:08, xdelay=00:02:29, mailer=esmtp, pri=150249, \
>> relay=mail.netbsd.org. [155.53.1.253], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out \
>> with mail.netbsd.org.
>> 
>> when I try to send to <any list>@netbsd.org.  
>
>Can you ping mail.netbsd.org ?
>The fact that I got this mail shows that mail.netbsd.org is working at
>last :)

Hmmm, no not from 209.128.91.40/29.  icmp's go out, but they never get
a response?  Traceroute shows:

: traceroute mail.netbsd.org
traceroute to mail.netbsd.org (155.53.1.253), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  rtr.rockhead.com (209.128.91.41)  0.828 ms  0.784 ms  0.718 ms
 2  * 209-128-90-113.bayarea.net (209.128.90.113)  20.085 ms *
 3  cr0sj1-e4.bayarea.net (209.128.95.236)  95.235 ms  37.109 ms  222.539 ms
 4  border8.s6-8.bais-1.sfj.pnap.net (63.251.240.125)  20.325 ms  20.653 ms  20.615 ms
 5  core3.ge0-1-bbnet2.sfj.pnap.net (216.52.0.67)  21.644 ms  19.666 ms  20.777 ms
 6  12.124.35.49 (12.124.35.49)  36.498 ms  36.653 ms  35.154 ms
 7  gbr5-p80.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.150)  33.969 ms  40.458 ms  35.511 ms
 8  gbr3-p100.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.5.142)  49.742 ms  36.087 ms  35.754 ms
 9  gbr2-p60.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.5.253)  36.348 ms  35.575 ms  35.878 ms
10  ar1-p3110.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.195.37)  49.983 ms  36.248 ms  50.187 ms
11  12.124.47.222 (12.124.47.222)  43.385 ms  46.570 ms 12.124.47.230 (12.124.47.230)  39.521 ms
12  * * *

Things work from 63.197.22.9:

: traceroute mail.netbsd.org
traceroute to mail.netbsd.org (155.53.1.253), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  adsl-63-198-44-109.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (63.198.44.109)  25.079 ms  22.182 ms  14.146 ms
 2  core4-g3-0.snfc21.pbi.net (216.102.187.130)  8.171 ms  7.834 ms  8.112 ms
 3  edge1-ge2-0.snfc21.pbi.net (209.232.130.71)  8.317 ms  7.914 ms  8.527 ms
 4  edge2-p5-3.snfc21.pbi.net (64.172.39.249)  8.518 ms  8.574 ms  8.572 ms
 5  sl-gw28-stk-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.229.9)  10.794 ms  10.149 ms  11.230 ms
 6  sl-bb21-stk-9-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.4.109)  12.126 ms  10.820 ms  10.867 ms
 7  sl-bb22-sj-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.169)  11.669 ms  12.574 ms  12.661 ms
 8  144.232.18.138 (144.232.18.138)  17.948 ms  17.771 ms  17.196 ms
 9  gbr4-p50.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.70)  19.160 ms  17.463 ms  17.742 ms
10  gbr2-p100.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190)  17.637 ms  17.445 ms  17.733 ms
11  ar1-p3110.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.195.37)  18.428 ms  18.071 ms  18.878 ms
12  12.124.47.230 (12.124.47.230)  25.570 ms  21.587 ms 12.124.47.222 (12.124.47.222)  22.642 ms
13  mail.netbsd.org (155.53.1.253)  21.020 ms  20.994 ms  21.863 ms

Hmmmmm??  If I route mail.netbsd.org out my @home connection it works!?

: traceroute mail.netbsd.org
traceroute to mail.netbsd.org (155.53.1.253), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  24.15.220.1 (24.15.220.1)  19.572 ms  19.507 ms  19.815 ms
 2  r1-ge3-0.plstn1.sfba.home.net (24.20.31.97)  12.788 ms  5.636 ms  6.888 ms
 3  r1-dpt-srp-5-0.oakland1.sfba.home.net (216.197.144.148)  11.720 ms  11.845 ms  9.891 ms
 4  bb1-dpt-srp-1-0.rdc1.sfba.home.net (216.197.144.129)  13.001 ms  16.892 ms  10.716 ms
 5  c2-pos5-1.snjsca1.home.net (24.7.76.181)  9.428 ms  12.685 ms  9.060 ms
 6  c1-pos3-0.snfcca1.home.net (24.7.65.162)  9.955 ms  27.818 ms  20.299 ms
 7  home-gw.sffca.ip.att.net (192.205.32.217)  16.179 ms  16.359 ms  18.043 ms
 8  gbr3-p50.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.66)  9.160 ms  29.832 ms  14.710 ms
 9  gbr2-p60.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.5.253)  9.429 ms  19.985 ms  11.237 ms
10  ar1-p3110.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.195.37)  13.161 ms  9.303 ms  27.522 ms
11  12.124.47.222 (12.124.47.222)  21.874 ms 12.124.47.230 (12.124.47.230)  39.524 ms 12.124.47.222 (12.124.47.222)  32.262 ms
12  mail.netbsd.org (155.53.1.253)  16.645 ms  13.916 ms  27.744 ms

Curious, very curious indeed.

Paul