Subject: Re: It's dead Jim
To: None <netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org>
From: Alejandro Rosales <alex~r@inbox.lv>
List: netbsd-advocacy
Date: 08/20/2002 02:15:21
<ignorance>Is NetBSD's users number really around 1400?</ignorance>

Plz dont lart me for asking this...


Quoting Mike Cheponis <mac@Wireless.Com>:

> Not me!  From where I sit, *BSD is only getting stronger!
> 
> -mac
> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:31:54 +0930
> > From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
> > To: Alfred Pythonstein <pythonstein@hotmail.com>,
> >      Mike Cheponis <mac@Wireless.Com>
> > Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org
> > Subject: Re: It's dead Jim
> >
> > On Sunday, 18 August 2002 at  7:23:31 -0700, Alfred Pythonstein wrote:
> > > Mad propz to Hiten 'imbecile' Pandya, btw...
> > >
> > > It is official -- Netcraft is now confirming: *BSD is dying
> >
> > Mike, is that you?
> >
> > > You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future.
> The
> > > hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there
> won't
> > > be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking
> > > very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to
> lose
> > > market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
> > >
> > > FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core
> > > developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD
> > > developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the
> point
> > > more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
> > >
> > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
> > >
> > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How
> many
> > > users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus
> NetBSD
> > > posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are
> about
> > > 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of
> the
> > > volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS.
> A
> > > recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market.
> > > Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is
> > > consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
> > >
> > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD
> went
> > > out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled
> OS.
> > > Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel
> house.
> > >
> > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share.
> > > *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If
> > > *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD
> > > continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this
> point
> > > in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
> > >
> > > Fact: *BSD is dying
> >
> > Fact: this claim is over a year old.
> >
> > On Sunday, 22 April 2001 at 14:44:28 -0700, Mike Cheponis wrote:
> > > Seen on slashdot today:
> > >
> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/04/22/0056207&threshold=-
1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=80
> > >
> > > "We should all keep in mind this simple truth: *BSD is dying.
> > >
> > > You don't need to be Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand
> > > writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there
> > > won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are
> > > looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD
> > > continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
> > >
> > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
> > >
> > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How
> > > many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD
> > > versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to
> > > 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts
> > > on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore
> > > there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at
> > > about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are
> > > (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the
> > > number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
> > >
> > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on,
> > > FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell
> > > another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to
> > > another charnel house.
> > >
> > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market
> > > share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are
> > > very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyists,
> > > dabblers, and dilettantes. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of
> > > a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical
> > > purposes, *BSD is dead. "
> >
> > Fact: trolls are facing hard times.
> >
> > Fact: trolls are dying.  This one is dead, but hasn't noticed it yet.
> >
> > Greg
> > --
> > See complete headers for address and phone numbers
> >
> 
> 
> 


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