Subject: Re: [Frank da Cruz : Re: Kermit and NetBSD]
To: Frank da Cruz <email@example.com>
From: Andrew Gillham <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 11/23/1999 08:31:28
Frank da Cruz writes:
> They're making money, they deserve to do a little work.
According to you at least, yes. Again, I'm not sure this is the general
direction for NetBSD. (and being a _user_, I can't speak for it really)
> "Highly restrictive" might be overstating the case, but as we all know from
> watching the licensing wars on the newsgroups, there is a multiplicity of
> licenses, and of opinions about each one. People (end users, companies)
> have to learn to live in this world of diversity. Why should it be our
> concern to shield them from it?
Apologies, it is highly restrictive in the context of reselling CDROMs or
NetBSD complilations, in my opinion.
> If you have permission to use some software, why refuse to use it because
> somebody else might to be allowed to sell it? I don't understand the
> rationale behind this. Why are people who sell other people's work the main
> focus of concern?
I am (perhaps incorrectly) lumping C-Kermit in with the other "restricted"
(in NetBSD package terms) licenses. In the specific case of C-Kermit, my
concerns with "non-commercial use" do not precisely apply. So perhaps I
am being overly zealous, and should analyze each individual license myself
rather than just sticking with "unrestricted" packages.
> I think you misunderstand -- companies can use C-Kermit internally all they
> want. They can even put it up on their servers for customers to use. What
> they can NOT do without permission is commoditize it -- furnish it to their
> customers or clients in a commercial setting. To us, it's not a matter of
> ideology or principal, but one of practicality in our situation.
As I mentioned above, I am lumping C-Kermit into the general case. In this
specific instance I could use it, if I wished, but it still suffers from
the restrictions that affect CDROMs or other forms of distribution.
> Right, this is your decision. Personally, if I were creating some kind of
> commercial product to sell, and I wanted to include some third-party
> software in it, I would not mind asking for permission and even paying for
> it if the price was right. I certainly would not feel it was my absolute
> right to sell the work of others. This is just common human courtesy and
I would not feel that way either. From a NetBSD user's perspective I prefer
having a limited set of licenses that apply to a NetBSD distribution.
If a friend or coworker wants a copy of NetBSD, I can download/create a ISO
image, burn a CD, and "sell" it to them for the cost of the blank. (US$1)
With C-Kermit (and similarly licensed software) on the CD, I would be
violating the copyright license terms. (as I understand them)
Regardless, it is not for me to decide.
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