On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Herb Peyerl wrote:

> So why do you think most developers are afraid to propose  stuff on
> tech-*?  Because of precisely this.  Developer proposes something.
> Lots of smart people plus lots of ignorant loud-mouths talk about 
> it.  It's impossible to reach consensus because there are those in
> the community who will disagree for the sake of disagreeing, or 
> because they like the sound of their voice.  Finally, developer gets
> frustrated, throws up arms and goes back into the forest.
> 
> 6 months later, it's re-evaluated and decided there were no sound
> technical reasons against the implementation, and it goes ahead.

But then it shouldn't be used as a bat when the discussion comes up
again. It's very easy and nice to able to just say "we already talked
about it and approved of it on tech-*", but it's hardly the correct way of
arguing when people there *didn't* agree to the proposal.
Use better arguments, if you have them!

> You're dreaming if you think we're ever going to reach any sort
> of consensus in tech-*.

People can always dream. ;-)
> 
> I'm not directly or indirectly classifying you into either or both
> of the above groups.  This is just an observation.

I guess I'll classify myself as a loudmouth in this case, since I don't
subscribe to the correct tech-* in this case, and also, contribute just a
little odd stuff on the VAX-port.

	Johnny

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