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Re: Rumpification (was Re: CVS commit: src/usr.sbin/envstat)

On Tue Dec 14 2010 at 17:47:33 -0500, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:35:46AM +0200, Antti Kantee wrote:
> > 
> > Did you read the webpage and/or manpages?  Unless people do that *and*
> > throw away any invalid based on guesses, we're not going to get anywhere.
> > Luckily, we'll at least be left with working code.
> You're the one making the stream of changes that -- as far as I can tell --
> most other people find, at least at first encounter, rather strange and
> ugly.
> You say they're necessary.  That's fine; maybe they are.  But it seems
> to me the onus is properly on you to produce a complete, self-contained
> explanation, with adequate context, of the "big picture" of why.  Though
> reading all of the rump documentation is a reasonable goal, and I'm
> willing to try to do it (re-do it, for much of it; but it's been a
> while), you should be able to explain in a broad way the necessity for
> what you say is necessary without telling people to RTFM.
> You're basically telling people "go educate yourself about why this code
> you find strange and ugly actually isn't".  It seems to me it would be
> much more appropriate for you, instead, to make a somewhat more complete
> effort to educate us, rather than telling us to go figure it out for
> ourselves.

No, I'm asking you to establish a vocabulary.  If I'm going to start
talking swedish to you, I need to know if I should start from "hej"
or move on to slightly more complicated communication.

Everyone has had several years to be curious about the slowly developing
project goals and unique architecture, so it's quite laughable that the
triggering event is changing "ioctl()" to "prog_ioctl()" and claiming
there will be certainly be unsurmountable problems (although current
empirical data suggests otherwise).  nb. I'm sure there will be minor
problems, like the dd one christos pointed out.  fixed & moving on.

As I already said, I'd love to explain things and I tried somewhat.
You didn't come with specific questions, so I assume you understood and
agreed with what I explained.

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