Subject: Re: full duplex ethernet trouble
To: John Nemeth <>
From: Charles M. Hannum <>
List: tech-userlevel
Date: 07/26/2004 03:53:54
On Friday 23 July 2004 18:44, John Nemeth wrote:
> On Nov 7, 11:19am, Havard Eidnes wrote:
> }
> } > AFAICT NetBSD only does proper NWAY negotiation if media is set to
> auto. }
> } That is also my experience, and I thought that was sort of the norm
> } elsewhere as well.
>      There seems to be a mixture here.  Some do, some don't.  Since
> hard coding isn't defined in the standard, systems and devices can do
> whatever they want, so there is no telling what will happen.
> } > This is a bug, and it should be fixed.
> }
> } Well, Charles says "yes", so it must be true! ;-)  (Seriously, I trust
> } his statement on this; I don't have that particular detailed knowledge
> } to tell that myself, though.)
>      I realise that Charles has contributed a great deal to NetBSD
> (including apparently spending his own money to do trade show booths)
> and obviously knows a great deal about operating systems, but does he
> know enough about networking to be considered an authority in that
> area?  Deferring to authority can be dangerous, especially if the
> authority in question is not an authority in the area in question.

I guess we'll ignore the fact that I've developed several networking products 
over the last few years, and have specifically dealt with this issue with 
real customers, because it's more fun to create strawmen.

You're not exactly strengthening your already weak case.