Subject: Re: stdio FILE extension
To: Jason R Thorpe <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: James Graham <email@example.com>
Date: 10/16/2001 22:11:14
I think the question is how long are we going to hang onto the cruft?
We're accumulating an alarming amount of detritus; I'd like to see it
cleaned up at some point. Whenever we migrate to a 2.x release might be a
nice time to declare that This Won't Work Anymore.
I comprehend why everything needs to be rebuilt. The thing is that we
can't carry the world forever. Well, we COULD, but I don't think it
would accomplish much.
And while we don't want to alienate the users, are we going to let ourselves
suffer technically for that end?
FWIW, I don't think Solaris is doing it "right", either. I did some
hard thinking about this, and I can deal with updates for the stuff I
can't compile, and I can recompile the rest.
But that's just me. ACtually, no, from the discussion I've seen, it
isn't just me.
# ELF has no way to do this -- I've already said why -- "libc.so.12" and
# "libc.so.13" are DIFFERENT LIBRARIES as far as ELF is concerned.
# > The reason *I* keep asking about the libc bump is because at some point we
# > *will* have to do it. I'm not saying that it will be fun, or desireable, but
# > the accumulated cruft will overcome the pain. Also, people doing certain
# > restricted environments (where they do not have any dependancies) may like to
# > get rid of the cruft.
# No, I don't believe we will HAVE to do it.
No, but what good is keeping the cruft around? Eventually it's going to
# Note we are not the only system to note this problem/issue -- Solaris has
# had the same libc major number for ... a very long time, and uses a renaming
# scheme similar to the one we use in its libc.
What makes solaris' way "right"? Declare a day of backward combatability,
move on and leave it at that. It's gonna suck for a while.
It's gotta be technically better than growing a rename farm inside a
And then we can forget about it for the NEXT five years.
# -- Jason R. Thorpe <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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