Subject: Re: Changing root's shell to /bin/sh
To: NetBSD Userlevel Technical Discussion List <>
From: [This is my bacque pas, this is my faux pas] <>
List: tech-userlevel
Date: 03/19/1999 10:31:53
Greg A. Woods sez:
 * [ On Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 22:47:04 (-0800), John Nemeth wrote: ]
 * > Subject: Re: Changing root's shell to /bin/sh
 * >
 * >      While editing a file in /etc/rc.config.d (HP-UX), I neglected to
 * > quote some stuff.
 * Please don't try to confuse the issue.  HP-UX might claim to be related
 * to SysV, but nothing from AT&T ever had such a directory.

Please don't try to dodge or obfuscate the issue:  The concept is an
extension to what SysV was and therefore falls into the same category.
Similar arguments could be made for IRIX.

Excuse me, but you're coming and saying things tantamount to "This
thing in BSD wasn't well thought out, SysV did it better".  I can
accept that because it's not necessarily bashing BSD completely,
it's acknowledging that BSD *may* have had a flaw.  I've only seen three
areas in which this was the case, and POSIX took care of them.

But even worse, you're coming along and saying "This thing in ***
wasn't well thought out either, SysV did it better and just because
*** looks like SysV or was derived from it doesn't mean it is SysV".

I think I have tried to smooth enough feathers that I personally have
ruffled on this issue, and I'm done with it.  It's clear that what you
(collective, not singular, in this case!) want IS SYSTEM V.  Well, if you
want it so badly, why don't you split your own source branch off of NetBSD
and call it NetSVR4 and be done with it?  Obviously you've got sufficient
experience by which to do so.

NetBSD is a Berkeley thing.  There are some concepts which make sense, but
frankly SysV is NOT the Goddess' gift to the computing world, and THEY
FSCKED UP IN THEIR IMPLEMENTATION of the concepts!  If the functionality
of the good concepts could be implemented in a not-so-ugly way, I'll
support it, for what my end-user vote is worth.  If not, then not.

System V does NOT have that many things worth even mentioning on
technical merit, let alone points which excel over Berkeley, and
as I mentioned above, those points have either been covered by
POSIX, or we've already implemented them.


America is quite possibly the only country to go from barbarism to
decadence without the requisite intervening period of civilisation.