Subject: Re: making 'make replace' safer
To: Geert Hendrickx <>
From: Peter Schuller <>
List: tech-pkg
Date: 07/17/2006 12:36:33
> > From a user perspective, I would often have no trouble taking the extra
> > CPU usage hit if it meant decreasing the chances of trouble.
>   From a sysadmin perspective, it also means extra downtime for your
>   service...

Except taking the machine offline for an upgrade is not necessarily acceptable 
to begin with. That is a problem that has to be solved in other ways IMO (and 
it looks like pkgsrc is approaching that). 

Once there is a way to perform upgrades such that it does not affect the 
running system (until everything is builtand the administrator hits the 
switch), that problem will go away. Then all that matters is that the upgrade 
*works* without having to manually debug packages.

I don't know how many people *actually* bring down critical services because 
they want to upgrade pkgsrc packages, but I most certainly never would. If 
it's critical enough that I can't just run a live upgrade and hope for the 
best, I would do some manual screwing around with chroots or similar. As a 
result, compilation time again does not affect service downtime.

/ Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB

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