Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Package removal candidates
To: Dieter Baron <>
From: Jim Wise <>
List: tech-pkg
Date: 12/06/2005 12:26:03
Hash: SHA1

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Dieter Baron wrote:

>On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:49:24PM -0500, Jim Wise wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Thomas Klausner wrote:
>> >Since Krister has been doing bulk builds for a long while now, I'm
>> >quite sure that he knows how to configure bulk builds correctly,
>> >so I'm convinced that something's missing or broken in the packages,
>> >not the bulk build setup.
>> With due respect, the setting of `JAVA_HOME' is a basic requirement on 
>> _all_ platforms on which java is used.  It is as elementary as setting 
>> PATH for unix command line work, or CFLAGS for C development.
>  However, in pkgsrc, mk/ chooses which JVM is used and sets
>PKG_JAVA_HOME accordingly.  devel/eclipse has the following line to
>make that setting visible to the package build:
>Maybe that would help here also.

I see.  Should we then add


to all package makefiles as well?

JAVA_HOME has been documented as a user settable variable for several 
_years_ now, in pkgsrc/mk/{mk.conf,defaults/mk.conf}.  If this is to 
change, it is the responsibility of the _changer_ to:

  a.) test old packages with the change

  b.) make sure that standard variables are set by whatever mechanism
      pkgsrc uses, just as our C Compiler choice support updates CC
      and CFLAGS (and for the same reason:  because these are standard
      variables for a third party makefile to depend on).

  c.) update the documentation

It sure looks like none of these have been done.  If this is so, this is 
hardly a flaw in packages which stopped working when these 
infrastructure changes were made.

If JAVA_HOME is no longer to be a user settable variable, it is the 
responsibility of our infrastructure to see that it is set when calling 
a third party packages make infrastructure.  It is not the 
responsibility of package authors to guess which previously-documented 
make variable has been removed this week...

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				Jim Wise
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