Subject: Re: DEINSTALL scripts for daemon packages
To: Jon Buller <>
From: Jim Kovalchuk <>
List: tech-pkg
Date: 05/23/2001 21:56:03
I think it's a good idea to check if the deamon is running. 
Echo a message that says: deamon running, attempting shut down.
Shut down the deamon, and proceed with removing the package.

or even a dialog about removing the package if the daemon is running.


On Wed, 23 May 2001, Jon Buller wrote:

> I'll quote parts of an exchange between myself and agc, rather
> than paraphrase and rewrite big parts...
> jonb> On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:10:33PM -0700, Jon Buller wrote:
> jonb> I was thinking about one other event I noticed when I unintentionally
> jonb> pkg_delete'd postgresql.  The server was still left running.  This
> jonb> left me in the slightly awkward position that I couldn't properly
> jonb> shutdown the database, since the tools to do so had already been
> jonb> removed.  I didn't think or care about it at the time, but the
> jonb> thought has since crossed my mind that perhaps any package that
> jonb> runs something as a daemon should stop the daemon(s) when removing
> jonb> the package to allow an orderly shutdown.
> jonb> As a very quick initial investigation, I found that there are 49
> jonb> packages that list something in etc/rc.d in their PLIST.  Assuming
> jonb> that this is roughly the number of packages that run daemons, and
> jonb> that my statements above are accepted, there should be a DEINSTALL
> jonb> script in each one to stop the daemons before the pkg_delete
> jonb> finishes.  However, only 16 of those 49 packages have a DEINSTALL
> jonb> script, and none of those 16 deinstall scripts have any occurance
> jonb> of the letter pair "rc".
> agc > On Tue, 22 May 2001 08:25:08 +0100, Alistair Crooks wrote:
> agc > Sounds like an excellent idea to me, and something that would add huge
> agc > value to pkgsrc - I don't think we've really had a good look at our
> agc > rc.d stuff already.
> agc > Having packages DTRT as well would be good.
> So, now for a few questions and comments:
> I have since altered my ideas on this a bit.  I now think it would
> be better to check if the daemon in question is running,  and if
> it is, print some sort of message and abort the pkg_delete.
> 1) Anyone want to recommend if the DEINSTALL script should abort the
>    pkg_delete if the daemon involved is running, or kill the daemon
>    and continue?
> 2) Are there any known exceptions to this?  (That is, anyone know
>    of a time/place/package where this would be a bad idea.  I assume
>    one may turn up while I'm looking, but thought an early warning
>    might help me think of what to do before I commit an obviously
>    stupid thing in a place I didn't think enough about it, or didn't
>    realize that it should be an exception.)
> 3) Anyone have any other suggestions?
> 4) Anyone want to help?
> Jon