Subject: Re: Package Paths Proposal v2
To: Curt Sampson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Todd Vierling <email@example.com>
Date: 12/16/1998 10:26:33
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Curt Sampson wrote:
: > Curt, considering I've completely butchered this, could you give me some
: > input? ;)
: It's hardly butchered. :-) In fact, it's pretty similar to my
: original proposal. The major change has to do with moving $PREFIX
: so that it does not cover etc and var, and adding a configuration
Also, please note the move from /pkg to /usr/pkg, and the reasoning I
explained for this.
: Also, I want to stress again the importance of having One True
: Configuration Directory on a system, regardless of where programs
: come from.
Very well; I'll edit to mention only /etc.
: No problem, except how do we set things up so we can use something
: other than /etc and /var when debugging PLISTS and whatnot?
PLISTs will not contain entries for /etc and /var except to do the
"copy-if-not-there" action in /etc and "@exec mkdir" for /var. This is
already done for many pkgs.
: Basically, it looks like we would have to drop this requirement:
: > 3. It must be possible to have the package system install files in a
: > separate area, where they are not mixed in with the standard system
: > binaries.
Huh!? Why would it "have" to be dropped?
Not only should this not be dropped, this should remain the default(!) as is
: If we do decide to drop it, then we look at using /pkg -> /usr
: rather than /pkg -> / to get the integrated packages.
`Reread the v2 proposal'; this is long since written.
: I'm not sure I understand this. Those who do /pkg -> /usr/pkg didn't
: want system binaries replaced, right?
No. See v2 proposal and how it handles this via move-and-symlink.
Packages which have an _intent_ to replace the functionality of system
binaries (BIND4, Sendmail 8.9, ...) should not, and _cannot_, require that
the user symlink /usr/pkg to /usr. This requires a separate scheme whereby
such pkgs know how to move the system binaries out of the way no matter
where the replacement ones exist on the system.
: The correct answer, I think, is `It's not worth the effort.' Some
: packages will work just fine with no host-specific files; others
: will fail in part and give obvious error messages (with ssh, for
: example, it looks to me as if the client would run, but the server
: wouldn't). Others will fail in full. We should supply documentation
: explaining what needs to be done to `complete' an install in terms
: of /etc and /var (generally just copying files from /pkg/usr/share/examples
: or whatever that directory turns out to be).
Doc for `HOWTO-share-pkgs' would probably be best here.
-- Todd Vierling (Personal firstname.lastname@example.org; Bus. email@example.com)