Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: NetBSD System Packages
To: Jonathan Stone <jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU>
From: Gandhi woulda smacked you <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 10/01/1998 02:14:28
On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Jonathan Stone wrote:
* We _already_ have two sets of tools -- sysinst and the pkg_* commands.
* I dont see either of them as going away. What we're talking about is
* unifying the two formats, pkgs and tarballs, and that requires changes
* from both sides.
Actually, from what I've seen, there's been a lot of bitching and
moaning that sysinst is an odd combination of a band-aid and a crutch.
I think if we could move away from sysinst as anything more than a
nice UI which called the pkg* tools, we'd be a darn sight closer to
a very nice, very _clean_ install.
* b) we need to extract a contents-list of a `container',
* so users can opt to select individual pkgs rather than the
* whole `container' set. Hopefully we can do that without
* requiring one pass over the set for for each pkg in the set.
That's a good start.
* c) Knowing total unpacked sizes for each set, broken down by
* `standard' filesystem boundaries, would be nice, but not essential.
Being able to determine total unpacked sizes broken down by actual
filesystem boundaries -- or even in a raw manner ("This will take this
much space on root; I'll note it to help you size your filesystems
later") (depending on which comes first, filesystem layout or software
selection) -- is not just "nice". It's not essential NOW (while we're
preparing for a first run and ironing out the bugs at some point), but
it needs to be addressed.
* d) an extension mechanism, for future-proofing:
* e.g., so at some later point we can add `default' options for
* which sets to unpack and which to not unpack, if that ever
* becomes sensible.
This is an NP-complete problem.
* e) maybe, just maybe, some idea of dependencies betwen `pkgsets'.
This will eventually be a necessity.
* We can either have two completly different formats and two sets of
* tools, or we can agree on a file format which both tools can grok.
* That way, a user who wants to add more sets, post-install, can do so
* with either the pkg tools or with sysinst.
I still think that sysinst should be a front end to call the pkg
* That's what I'm trying to do. the install folks have already
* given up on raw tarballs of pkgs. How else can we help come
* closer to a single shared file format for pkgs and pkgsets?
Um, make the tools tools and make the UI a UI?
I apologise if I've been abrasive of late. I'm not trying to step on
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