Subject: Re: Changing the PHY status reporting
To: None <tech-net@NetBSD.org>
From: Brad <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 02/18/2006 18:44:54
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 06:36:26PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> In message <20060218231847.GA8767@blar.home.comstyle.com>, Brad writes:
> >On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 03:15:36PM -0800, John Nemeth wrote:
> >> On Jul 11, 1:30pm, "Liam J. Foy" wrote:
> >> }
> >> } Just as a side note, CARP is basically now completely working. The
> >> } last remaining issues have been resolved now.
> >> }
> >> } Hope to have a patch ready within the next few days(against HEAD).
> >> Do we know whether or not CARP violates Cisco's patent? I.e. is
> >> bringing CARP in a wise idea? We should probably just implement VRRP
> >> as it is the standard and Cisco has said they will allow people
> >> implementing it to use their patent. A different protocol, such as
> >> CARP, may get us into trouble.
> >> }-- End of excerpt from "Liam J. Foy"
> >You're confusing CARP with VRRP. It is the other way around.
> No -- VRRP is definied in RFC 3768 as an IETF Draft Standard.
> As for IPR -- Cisco has not made such a statement, at least to the
> IETF. http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/cisco-ipr-draft-ietf-vrrp-spec-v2.txt
> is the latest document filed there; it provides for "reasonable,
> non-discriminatory terms". IBM has also made a claim (and a similar
> offer); see http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/ibm-rfc2338-rfc2787.txt
> CARP is OpenBSD's protocol to avoid the patent. See
> http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35 . Also note that CARP runs as
> protocol 112, the same as VRRP, as a political statement by OpenBSD --
> it doesn't "conflict with anything else of value".
> --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
I am very well aware of the situation. I am an OpenBSD developer.
And Cisco has also not made any guarentees of NOT exercising that patent,
it is a risk that is unacceptable. It also does not sit well knowing Cisco
sued Alcatel over that VRRP patent.
It has nothing to do with a political statement. OpenBSD would use its own
protocol number if IANA was willing to allocate a number for the protocol.