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Re: Reclaiming vnodes
On Sep,Tuesday 22 2009, at 11:55 PM, Bill Stouder-Studenmund wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:54:00AM +0200, Adam Hamsik wrote:
On Sep,Monday 14 2009, at 5:55 AM, matthew green wrote:
i'm still not entirely sure what the point of this patch is. i
understand it helps zfs, but i don't understand why or how. i'm
also curious what sort of testing you've done. i do not believe
that testing in qemu is sufficient. how does it affect systems
that recycle vnodes a lot, such as older systems running a build?
I do not have such system yet. What this patch does is that it uses
another thread to reclaims vnodes, this way vnodes are reclaimed in
different context than are allocated.
You REALLY need to test such a system. If you can't test one, you
not commit the change. Find a system and run it hard. Something like
compiles going on and have a few "find" commands running in the
background (on file systems each with more files than you have max
I'm testing this patch on my test server with 4 cpus by building a
release with -j8 and very low maxvnodes limit and with some other
vnode hungry tasks at behind.
Vnodes are allocated only if there are no vnodes on a free_list. If
there is a free vnode on a list it will be recycled which actually
means that it will call VOP_RECLAIM.
In zfs there is a problem with calling getnewvnode form zfs_zget, in
some cases getnewvnode pick vnode from a free list and call
VOP_RECLAIM. This can lead to deadlock because VOP_RECLAIM can try to
lock same mutex as was hold by zfs_zget. This can't be easily fixed
we do not want to touch and change whole zfs locking protocol.
Vnodes are only allocated and there is no vnode recycling. If number
of used vnodes in a system is > than kern.vnodes_num_hiwat(in
of maxvnodes) vrele thread will be woken up and it will start with
releasing of free vnodes until number of used vnodes is < than
The problem with this is you're going to reduce caching just because
can't figure out how to fix the locking.
Also, it strikes me that your design doesn't scale well. Right now,
thread that wants a vnode becomes a vnode cleaning thread. So if we
to reclaim a lot of vnodes at once, all the waiting threads pitch in
work. Without an easy way to dynamically scale the number of
threads, you introduce a resource allocation issue. Pick too few
and you can choke a busy system. Pick too many, and you waste space
by other subsystems.
But vnodes doesn't need to be reclaimed so often as allocated. I think
that allocation is more critical then speed of reclaim.
My suggestion on how to fix this is:
1) Get a mutex variant that always records lock owner (curlwp()) and a
mutex_enter() variant that will report EDEADLK when you try to lock
2) Use said mutexes in zfs and use said mutex_enter() variant in the
places that VOP_RECLAIM would hit.
3) Have VOP_RECLAIM report EDEADLK if you'd get a deadlock w/ the
operation (and clean up appropriately).
4) have getvnode() try the next vnode if it gets EDEADLK.
This seems to me as a hack.
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