Haai,

On Mon, August 27, 2007 03:29, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 07:54:04PM -0700, Darren Reed wrote:
>[snip]
>> And lastly...
>> Have any of the said vendors contributed back to NetBSD ?
>> (Or in other words, why should we care about *them* ? >:-)
>
> If you really really think that's the right attitude to take, you might
be happier in a GPL project

Don't confuse an attitude of 'fair is fair' with one of 'no matter what
the circumstances, you will obey'.

> -- though given our past history with some
> vendors I can understand the response!  ;-)

It doesn't take full-brunt exposure to the perils of capitalism to be able
to 'understand the response' (and certainly not when elaboration seems
deliberately omitted to promote social cohesion).

>
> From my point of view, one of the things keeping NetBSD alive and
interesting is that it's readily available to be packaged up and shipped
in vendor products without all the GPL nonsense.

The main problem being that it often isn't shipped with the /right/
products. Anyway, if NetBSD runs out of the box on a certain system, why
should I care for a vendor shipping it unmodified (and no, I don't
consider vendor-modified versions eligible to carry the name 'NetBSD').

> Generally, I think,
> NetBSD gets something back from those efforts (certainly we are getting
quite a bit back right now, in terms of Andy's paid kernel work).  We
could do better, but there's no point making things harder than they
need to be,

Now I understand the crude politics of this project. Since the affair
involving Theo and the eventual split of OpenBSD (YAY for breaking taboos)
and, more recently, Charles Hannum's 'introspective come-down from a hard
night of consumption' ((C) matthew sporleder) the attitude described (and,
to a limited extent, something resembling 'discussed') hasn't changed one
fscking bit. Keep this arrogant, greasy attitude, and this project will go
down faster than an ALSA audio driver. I've seen it before, and I'll see
it again.

If you do not change your attitude towards foreign concepts within the
forseeable future, I'm going to fork this, merge it with my own Grand
Project(TM) (which I shall not rant about unless specifically provoked)
and pwn even NetBSD's architecture completely. Your mind-lock will be your
defeat. I'd much rather not do that (and evolve NetBSD into some more than
UNIX instead), but it increasingly seems I have little choice. You have
been warned.

> and the current state of syscalls.master is a bit of a
> pointless nuisance.  There was clearly supposed to be space in there for
private extensions,

Increase to 1024, reserve 768-1023 for proprietary stuff. Them happy; we
happy.

> all the way back from the CSRG days; we've just slowly
> broken it over time.

Funny you should mention the CSRG. They have incorporated some pretty
revolutionary things into UNIX, while we are just sitting and tending to
the whims of individual, often incompetent, developers. *cough* vision
*cough* *cough*

Yes, I'm annoyed. Intensely. A piece of advice: when you manage the
extraordinary feat of getting The Whining Bastard really annoyed, you have
a structural problem on your hands.

Baai,

De Zeurkous
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Friggin' Machines!

>
> Thor
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