Subject: RE: uvm_fault panic on 4.0_BETA2/amd64
To: Blair Sadewitz <blair.sadewitz@gmail.com>
From: De Zeurkous <zeurkous@nichten.info>
List: tech-kern
Date: 06/22/2007 20:14:20
Haai,

On Fri, June 22, 2007 19:45, Blair Sadewitz wrote:
> We should talk epistemology some time.

Looking forward to it.

>
> I don't want to flood this list with philosophical banter, though.

Hm, I find such behavior has it's charm :)

>
> Nice zinger about the ad-hoc argument, BTW.

Thanks.

> Do you think two people
> who both claim each other's argument is ad-hoc can argue without an
> infinite regression? If so, maybe we should go for some sort of world
> record?

Usually until either someone agrees to disagree (sparse) or I get banned
from the channel (very often). When omitting such behavior from the
theory, I'm sure it would last to the death.

>
> BTW, my post was directed at the person who made the initial "LFS will
> never be stable" comment, not you.  Usually, people who strive for
> ever more clarity in definitions don't make statements of absolute
> negation regarding the future. ;)

Heh -- but that person also said ``with the current
people working on it.''. This conditional negates the perceived type of
negation :^)

>
> "LFS will never be stable because there are too many '#XXX' comments".
>  Did he stop to think that perhaps those comments are there because
> the developer working on it is astute enough to notice the problems he
> intends to fix?  There's an entire branch of our tree where our new
> locking primitives are being added to the entire vm system!  This
> doesn't seem like very strong evidence for "LFS will never be stable".

I believe his concern was about the possibility of never actually fixing
those problems.

>  Other BSD projects just deleted LFS from their tree because they
> didn't want to make it work.  I understand the logic of that; they had
> other priorities.

Like advocacy and IBM PC-worshipping.

> It just so happens that in NetBSD, one of the
> developers wanted to make it work.

The rate of both ``want to make it work'' and ``can make it work'' seems
far higher among NetBSD developers (and aspiring lusers) than among
developers/lusers of other systems.

>  And so it'll never be stable?  LFS
> was ported from the sprite operating system!  It might take a little
> time considering Konrad is getting paid a whopping $0.00 per hour to
> work on it!

Don't forget the credit and associated bragging rights.

Baai,

De Zeurkous
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Friggin' Machines!

>
> Regards,
>
> --Blair
>
> P.S. nice domain in your email address, too.  I don't know much
> German, but I'm a big fan of the three great German philosophers whose
> last names start with 'H'.  The only things I can say in german are
> things like "moment of sublation" "being-in-itself", etc. ;)  Are you
> a native speaker?

I'm not German -- I'm Dutch. A strangely common mistake among U.S. people,
although I don't know if you belong to that group. As for the 'nice
domain' comment: thanks :) ``De Zeurkous'' is Dutch for ``The Whining
Bastard'' and ``nichten'' (/nieces/) is common slang for homosexuals,
similar to 'fag' in English; I had to use .info since most other TLDs
already had domains named 'nichten' in use for pr0n sites >:P